> PHP and HTML (though I don't think I ever saw a time where those were treated as two things rather than one weird mash of the two in a single file) There's (

> PHP and HTML (though I don't think I ever saw a time where those were treated as two things rather than one weird mash of the two in a single file) There's (still) plenty of that out there. But this was literally the reason why the MVC paradigm was brought in to web dev from the GUI/windows (lower case w) world