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The cautious configuration and total separation of the Tor browser is the whole reason it was created in the first place. There are an uncountable number of rea

The cautious configuration and total separation of the Tor browser is the whole reason it was created in the first place. There are an uncountable number of reasons why having it in a normal everyday browser is probably a bad idea. It sort of aligns with my views on a lot of other Brave projects: neat, and with good intentions, but not necessarily such a good idea when examined in detail.

c7DJTLrn 6y ago
And even with all that caution, holes have been found in Tor Browser in the past. The fact is that software with such a huge attack surface shouldn't be the mode of interaction for Tor services.
glsdfgkjsklfj 6y ago
couldn't agree more. Brave browser is applying startup "break things faster" to user privacy. All fine and dandy when it is some curious silicon valley engineer playing with new tech at home, but 'selling' that to people at danger that depends on that tech for safety is huge red flag. Avoid brave browser like the plage. Specially do not contribute your opensource-time to them, but to the projects they use (not chromium though)
- loceng 6y ago
  Is there an ideal circumstance or organizational structure or development process that could allow this to work - and perhaps that is simply necessitating a very large amount engineering and security/QA resources?
- huzur8472 6y ago
  The issue around Tor is not a reason to avoid Brave. It has a lot of other good attributes for the common people. And I like it’s attempt to let you support websites while blocking intrusive ads.
  - _jal 6y ago
    The issue with Tor, and the issue with ad substitution, and other things are reasons to doubt the judgement of the developers. Brave is interesting, and I do play with it. I utterly distrust it, though, and do nothing important with it.
    - selestify 6y ago
      Which browsers do you trust?
  - glsdfgkjsklfj 6y ago
    Contribute to uBlock and bring no-ads to everyone instead. having brave control which ads you see, will lead to the same awful situation when adBlockPlus was stolen for profit: any company could pay to be whitelisted.
    - blendergeek 6y ago
      > Contribute to uBlock and bring no-ads to everyone instead. Contribute to uBlock Origin [0]. uBlock was also stolen for profit [1] and takes money to whitelist ads. [0] https://ublockorigin.com/ https://ublockorigin.com/ [1] http://tuxdiary.com/2015/06/14/ublock-origin/ http://tuxdiary.com/2015/06/14/ublock-origin/
      - glsdfgkjsklfj 6y ago
        very correct. my bad for forgetting we had yet-another project hijacked.
  - stjohnswarts 6y ago
    It does make you question their sincerity though. It should be in bold, in red at the top of their "tor mode" that it doesn't work as well as the regular tor browser.
- eredengrin 6y ago
  > but 'selling' that to people at danger that depends on that tech for safety is huge red flag The vast majority of users do not need tor for personal safety, therefore avoiding brave because of this issue is a non-sequitur for most people. Ublock origin is great, but brave is one of the only solutions that is giving a legitimate attempt at solving the root issues in a pragmatic manner. Everything else (including ublock origin, as good as it is) is just cat and mouse.
- siltpotato 6y ago
  Because I, and possibly others, don't know, what could be an example of a person in danger?

c7DJTLrn 6y ago

And even with all that caution, holes have been found in Tor Browser in the past. The fact is that software with such a huge attack surface shouldn't be the mode of interaction for Tor services.

glsdfgkjsklfj 6y ago

couldn't agree more. Brave browser is applying startup "break things faster" to user privacy. All fine and dandy when it is some curious silicon valley engineer playing with new tech at home, but 'selling' that to people at danger that depends on that tech for safety is huge red flag. Avoid brave browser like the plage. Specially do not contribute your opensource-time to them, but to the projects they use (not chromium though)

loceng 6y ago
Is there an ideal circumstance or organizational structure or development process that could allow this to work - and perhaps that is simply necessitating a very large amount engineering and security/QA resources?
huzur8472 6y ago
The issue around Tor is not a reason to avoid Brave. It has a lot of other good attributes for the common people. And I like it’s attempt to let you support websites while blocking intrusive ads.
- _jal 6y ago
  The issue with Tor, and the issue with ad substitution, and other things are reasons to doubt the judgement of the developers. Brave is interesting, and I do play with it. I utterly distrust it, though, and do nothing important with it.
  - selestify 6y ago
    Which browsers do you trust?
- glsdfgkjsklfj 6y ago
  Contribute to uBlock and bring no-ads to everyone instead. having brave control which ads you see, will lead to the same awful situation when adBlockPlus was stolen for profit: any company could pay to be whitelisted.
  - blendergeek 6y ago
    > Contribute to uBlock and bring no-ads to everyone instead. Contribute to uBlock Origin [0]. uBlock was also stolen for profit [1] and takes money to whitelist ads. [0] https://ublockorigin.com/ https://ublockorigin.com/ [1] http://tuxdiary.com/2015/06/14/ublock-origin/ http://tuxdiary.com/2015/06/14/ublock-origin/
    - glsdfgkjsklfj 6y ago
      very correct. my bad for forgetting we had yet-another project hijacked.
- stjohnswarts 6y ago
  It does make you question their sincerity though. It should be in bold, in red at the top of their "tor mode" that it doesn't work as well as the regular tor browser.
eredengrin 6y ago
> but 'selling' that to people at danger that depends on that tech for safety is huge red flag The vast majority of users do not need tor for personal safety, therefore avoiding brave because of this issue is a non-sequitur for most people. Ublock origin is great, but brave is one of the only solutions that is giving a legitimate attempt at solving the root issues in a pragmatic manner. Everything else (including ublock origin, as good as it is) is just cat and mouse.
siltpotato 6y ago
Because I, and possibly others, don't know, what could be an example of a person in danger?