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I respect Brave's efforts to make Tor accessible to the masses, but it also puts people at risk. There's lot of people with not a great deal of technical knowle
by c7DJTLrn 6y ago
I respect Brave's efforts to make Tor accessible to the masses, but it also puts people at risk. There's lot of people with not a great deal of technical knowledge who are aware of Tor and might see it as a means to bulletproof privacy, unaware that using it through Brave on an OS like Windows 10 could easily expose them.
Brave does present some kind of warning to users when opening an incognito tab. It just doesn't make the risks clear enough and will mostly be ignored.
I'm not sure what solutions there are for this. Perhaps shipping Tor as part of a regular browser isn't a good idea. In fact, I'd say Tor should've never been tunnelling generic protocols and instead had its own protocol for sharing information. That's another conversation though.
- chungus_khan 6y agoThe cautious configuration and total separation of the Tor browser is the whole reason it was created in the first place. There are an uncountable number of reasons why having it in a normal everyday browser is probably a bad idea. It sort of aligns with my views on a lot of other Brave projects: neat, and with good intentions, but not necessarily such a good idea when examined in detail.
- c7DJTLrn 6y agoAnd even with all that caution, holes have been found in Tor Browser in the past. The fact is that software with such a huge attack surface shouldn't be the mode of interaction for Tor services.
- glsdfgkjsklfj 6y agocouldn't agree more. Brave browser is applying startup "break things faster" to user privacy. All fine and dandy when it is some curious silicon valley engineer playing with new tech at home, but 'selling' that to people at danger that depends on that tech for safety is huge red flag. Avoid brave browser like the plage. Specially do not contribute your opensource-time to them, but to the projects they use (not chromium though)
- loceng 6y agoIs there an ideal circumstance or organizational structure or development process that could allow this to work - and perhaps that is simply necessitating a very large amount engineering and security/QA resources?
- huzur8472 6y agoThe issue around Tor is not a reason to avoid Brave. It has a lot of other good attributes for the common people. And I like it’s attempt to let you support websites while blocking intrusive ads.
- _jal 6y agoThe issue with Tor, and the issue with ad substitution, and other things are reasons to doubt the judgement of the developers. Brave is interesting, and I do play with it. I utterly distrust it, though, and do nothing important with it.
- selestify 6y agoWhich browsers do you trust?
- glsdfgkjsklfj 6y agoContribute to uBlock and bring no-ads to everyone instead. having brave control which ads you see, will lead to the same awful situation when adBlockPlus was stolen for profit: any company could pay to be whitelisted.
- blendergeek 6y ago> Contribute to uBlock and bring no-ads to everyone instead. Contribute to uBlock Origin [0]. uBlock was also stolen for profit [1] and takes money to whitelist ads. [0] https://ublockorigin.com/ https://ublockorigin.com/ [1] http://tuxdiary.com/2015/06/14/ublock-origin/ http://tuxdiary.com/2015/06/14/ublock-origin/
- drummer 6y agoYou need a good amount of specific knowledge to integrate something like TOR without putting people at risk through mistakes. Leaking dns is so basic that it's clear the expertise for doing the integration safely does not exist at Brave.
- breck 6y agoI respect your comment but you can ignore the left half of any but comment.
- c7DJTLrn 6y agoSorry, I have a poor style of writing. I'll try to clean it up.
- breck 6y agoNo worries. I agreed with your comment. That rhetorical style I find myself doing a lot, until someone pointed it out to me. They showed me there’s a better way to be constructive. Just jump to the point. Compliments are fine at the end.
- SippinLean 6y agoI never understood this cliché. Half a sentence is invalidated by a conjunction? We can't have two contrasting clauses in a single sentence?
- chipotle_coyote 6y agoWhile I think breck's phrasing is a bit overstated, and sometimes you really do want to have two contrasting clauses in a single sentence, their statement was (I presume intentionally!) self-illustrating: > I respect your comment but you can ignore the left half of any but comment. "I respect your comment, but..." isn't doing any meaningful work in this sentence; it's not contrasting anything, it's just introducing the actual point: "You can ignore the left half of any 'but' comment." You don't really lose anything by taking out the left half.
- breck 6y agoI'm ripping off GRRM (https://athimbleful.tumblr.com/post/177567274245/everything-before-the-word-but https://athimbleful.tumblr.com/post/177567274245/everything-...)
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