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Have you quantified that? How unsafe it is to your personally? I don't know anything about your personal situation, but if you're healthy and relatively young

Have you quantified that? How unsafe it is to your personally? I don't know anything about your personal situation, but if you're healthy and relatively young the risk from Covid (first catching it, then having a bad time with it) in resuming these aspects of normal life may be extremely low, even compared to activities you wouldn't think twice about doing pre-pandemic - like taking a short car ride for example. I think there are probably a lot of people struggling with this sort of thing. Cognitive behaviour therapy incorporating aspects of exposure therapy could be useful here.

CydeWeys 6y ago
> How unsafe it is to your personally? That's a very selfish way of looking at things. The problem with being a communicable disease is that even if I'm fine, others I give it too might not be. I'm trying to be a team player here. Also, I'm not in a low-risk group personally anyway.
- Wintamute 6y ago
  No, not selfish. See answer below https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26194718 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26194718
  - CydeWeys 6y ago
    There's currently around 80 people dying from COVID-19 per day here in NYC, and the highest death rates have been from food service workers. 80 is way too high (it's over 10X what it was late summer), and I'm not going to do anything to potentially contribute to that. And Cuomo the nursing home reaper doesn't exactly have the moral high ground here in saying what is and isn't safe. I'm going to go back to my normal life once I've been vaccinated. At this rate there's only a couple more months to go. I've already made it 11 months, I can do a couple more.
Damogran6 6y ago
Are the young as at big a risk as older folks? No. CAN THEY COMMUNICATE IT TO OLDER FOLKS? Yes. Yes they can. This kinda falls into the 'social obligation' column. Just because it doesn't affect you personally, doesn't mean you shouldn't be part of the solution. Sooner or later something WILL happen to you and you'll benefit from being a member.
- Wintamute 6y ago
  I understand that aspect. Vaccinations, social distancing, mask wearing, mass testing, self isolating with symptoms or while vulnerable - these are all tools designed to get society running again, while minimising risk. The OP said they felt unsafe about going into restaurants which were open in their region. My opinion is that is incumbent on all of us to get back to normality as swiftly as possible within the guidelines set out by our local governments. That is my idea of social obligation, thanks.
  - criddell 6y ago
    > within the guidelines set out by our local governments Your local government may not care about you. I'd look to respected civilian experts or at least government agencies staffed by respected experts. I'm basing this on Texas' Lt. Governor Dan Patrick being willing to tolerate a lot of death for the sake of the economy: https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/21/texas-dan-patrick-economy-coronavirus/ https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/21/texas-dan-patrick-ec...
    - Wintamute 6y ago
      I understand that aspect too. I mention local guidelines since I wouldn't want anyone to get in trouble with the state. The economy is not an abstract thing, it represents living people and their lives. People who feel its important to prioritise the economy and a return to relative normality generally don't think that way because they're callous about Covid deaths, they're simply more concerned about the death, ill health and strife that result from a long term economic downturn. We can discuss the degree to which those views represent reality without impugning people's characters.

CydeWeys 6y ago

> How unsafe it is to your personally? That's a very selfish way of looking at things. The problem with being a communicable disease is that even if I'm fine, others I give it too might not be. I'm trying to be a team player here. Also, I'm not in a low-risk group personally anyway.

Wintamute 6y ago
No, not selfish. See answer below https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26194718 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26194718
- CydeWeys 6y ago
  There's currently around 80 people dying from COVID-19 per day here in NYC, and the highest death rates have been from food service workers. 80 is way too high (it's over 10X what it was late summer), and I'm not going to do anything to potentially contribute to that. And Cuomo the nursing home reaper doesn't exactly have the moral high ground here in saying what is and isn't safe. I'm going to go back to my normal life once I've been vaccinated. At this rate there's only a couple more months to go. I've already made it 11 months, I can do a couple more.

Damogran6 6y ago

Are the young as at big a risk as older folks? No. CAN THEY COMMUNICATE IT TO OLDER FOLKS? Yes. Yes they can. This kinda falls into the 'social obligation' column. Just because it doesn't affect you personally, doesn't mean you shouldn't be part of the solution. Sooner or later something WILL happen to you and you'll benefit from being a member.

Wintamute 6y ago
I understand that aspect. Vaccinations, social distancing, mask wearing, mass testing, self isolating with symptoms or while vulnerable - these are all tools designed to get society running again, while minimising risk. The OP said they felt unsafe about going into restaurants which were open in their region. My opinion is that is incumbent on all of us to get back to normality as swiftly as possible within the guidelines set out by our local governments. That is my idea of social obligation, thanks.
- criddell 6y ago
  > within the guidelines set out by our local governments Your local government may not care about you. I'd look to respected civilian experts or at least government agencies staffed by respected experts. I'm basing this on Texas' Lt. Governor Dan Patrick being willing to tolerate a lot of death for the sake of the economy: https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/21/texas-dan-patrick-economy-coronavirus/ https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/21/texas-dan-patrick-ec...
  - Wintamute 6y ago
    I understand that aspect too. I mention local guidelines since I wouldn't want anyone to get in trouble with the state. The economy is not an abstract thing, it represents living people and their lives. People who feel its important to prioritise the economy and a return to relative normality generally don't think that way because they're callous about Covid deaths, they're simply more concerned about the death, ill health and strife that result from a long term economic downturn. We can discuss the degree to which those views represent reality without impugning people's characters.