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Do you really not know any young people who have been permanently damaged by COVID? I know multiple people in their 20s and 30s that spent weeks in the ER and w

Do you really not know any young people who have been permanently damaged by COVID? I know multiple people in their 20s and 30s that spent weeks in the ER and will never be the same. I'm always surprised to find people who think the lockdown is excessive. COVID is absolutely no joke even if you're young, it's not the flu. Not even close, you don't want it.

AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
My anecdotal experience is the opposite of yours - everyone I know in their 20s and 30s who had a positive COVID-19 test got through it within a week and it was about the same as the flu. If my anecdata is irrelevant, then so is yours. The only people I know who have had permanent damage from COVID-19 in this age range, have all had their trauma caused by excessive lockdown policies. You know what's even less of a joke than COVID-19? Our histrionic, insane, and completely violent overreaction to it.
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  > You know what's even less of a joke than COVID-19? Our histrionic, insane, and completely violent overreaction to it. Quick question: how would you propose dealing with a global pandemic? Social isolation seems like the most common sense solution, since in 2021 we know how disease is transmitted and how to deal with that.
  - AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
    Social isolation may be the best solution. Fine. Don't force it on us. If it's the right solution, then it will be followed. I am not going to entertain further the notion that we have locked people into their homes, given trillions of dollars to multinational corporations, and restricted the lives of everyday people, just because of a pandemic that kills less than 1% of the people infected. This is such an obvious cash-grab and overt attempt to impose further fascism upon people, just like what happened after 9/11 in the US with the imposition of the Patriot Act.
    - solosoyokaze 6y ago
      I'm not making any cash on this, and I want the lockdown to continue. Because I don't want COVID and have a rudimentary knowledge of how disease is transmitted. > Social isolation may be the best solution. Fine. Don't force it on us. If it's the right solution, then it will be followed. I think your own statement is proof that this is not the case. We know social distancing works, yet you don't want to implement it. > just like what happened after 9/11 in the US with the imposition of the Patriot Act. I agree that governments will always do this. That doesn't make COVID any less of a threat though. The lockdown isn't the only lever of authoritarian control. There's plenty of others you can fight to increase individual liberty. Things that won't put millions of others (and yourself) at risk.
      - AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
        > I think your own statement is proof that this is not the case. We know social distancing works, yet you don't want to implement it. I said I don't want to force it on people - I never said it was a bad idea to remove yourself from close contact with strangers during a pandemic. Forcing it on people is how you get deaths of despair, run everyone's businesses to the ground, and ruin every healthy person's life who isn't at risk. You don't have to force it. Social distancing is a decision an individual makes, and a rational individual would choose to do this if they wanted to live without the risk of getting infected.
        kelnos 6y ago
        > I said I don't want to force it on people - I never said it was a bad idea to remove yourself from close contact with strangers during a pandemic. Allowing anyone to opt out disproportionately negatively affects people who are unable to isolate for whatever reason: essential job, medical emergency, etc. People not isolating creates more risk for the grocery checkout person or power plant operator, for example. > Social distancing is a decision an individual makes, and a rational individual would choose to do this if they wanted to live without the risk of getting infected. It's just selfishness (or at best rank ignorance) to believe that whether or not you personally isolate only affects your health.
selectodude 6y ago
I know zero people that have been permanently damaged by COVID. I don't think my social circle is all that small, either.
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  Consider yourself lucky. Would your opinion change if you knew a few people your age that almost didn't make it? It's anecdotal for sure, but once you see it with your own eyes it definitely makes you take it seriously.
  - selectodude 6y ago
    My mother died of cancer in her mid-40s. She had me pretty young so I had a front row seat to the entire thing. Terrible, terrible thing to go through. I do nothing to reduce my risk of cancer. I just can't live my life like that. Some people can and do. I wish I were one of them.
    - solosoyokaze 6y ago
      Thank you for the honest answer and personal anecdote. Sorry about your mom.
- rcpt 6y ago
  Here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.16.21249950v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.16.21249950v...
  - robocat 6y ago
    “Findings: 236,379 patients survived a confirmed diagnosis of COVID-19. Among them, the estimated incidence of neurological or psychiatric sequelae at 6 months was 33.6%, with 12.8% receiving their first such diagnosis. Most diagnostic categories were commoner after COVID-19 ... including stroke, intracranial haemorrhage, dementia, and psychotic disorders.” It would be interesting to do a relative comparison of physical and psych effects of lockdown versus post-Covid complications. It isn’t clear what the severity for the “33.6%” was.
kelnos 6y ago
Not the parent poster, but I still think a bunch of people getting killed in a war is worse than dying from COVID, even if they are literally the same people dying in both cases. The latter is just nature being nature, and while we can respond in some ways to reduce deaths, it will never be perfect. I get that in some ways that feels worse, because there's a feeling of powerlessness. But the former is humans being shitty and murdering each other in the name of nationalism, land, resources, religion, whatever.
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  It's "natural" for humans to fight too, it doesn't make it pleasant. I don't know that war and disease need to be ranked. Both are horrible and humanity has a long history suffering with both. We now know enough about the nature of disease that we can be somewhat effective dealing with it. If people embrace the science that is.

AndrewUnmuted 6y ago

My anecdotal experience is the opposite of yours - everyone I know in their 20s and 30s who had a positive COVID-19 test got through it within a week and it was about the same as the flu. If my anecdata is irrelevant, then so is yours. The only people I know who have had permanent damage from COVID-19 in this age range, have all had their trauma caused by excessive lockdown policies. You know what's even less of a joke than COVID-19? Our histrionic, insane, and completely violent overreaction to it.

solosoyokaze 6y ago
> You know what's even less of a joke than COVID-19? Our histrionic, insane, and completely violent overreaction to it. Quick question: how would you propose dealing with a global pandemic? Social isolation seems like the most common sense solution, since in 2021 we know how disease is transmitted and how to deal with that.
- AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
  Social isolation may be the best solution. Fine. Don't force it on us. If it's the right solution, then it will be followed. I am not going to entertain further the notion that we have locked people into their homes, given trillions of dollars to multinational corporations, and restricted the lives of everyday people, just because of a pandemic that kills less than 1% of the people infected. This is such an obvious cash-grab and overt attempt to impose further fascism upon people, just like what happened after 9/11 in the US with the imposition of the Patriot Act.
  - solosoyokaze 6y ago
    I'm not making any cash on this, and I want the lockdown to continue. Because I don't want COVID and have a rudimentary knowledge of how disease is transmitted. > Social isolation may be the best solution. Fine. Don't force it on us. If it's the right solution, then it will be followed. I think your own statement is proof that this is not the case. We know social distancing works, yet you don't want to implement it. > just like what happened after 9/11 in the US with the imposition of the Patriot Act. I agree that governments will always do this. That doesn't make COVID any less of a threat though. The lockdown isn't the only lever of authoritarian control. There's plenty of others you can fight to increase individual liberty. Things that won't put millions of others (and yourself) at risk.
    - AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
      > I think your own statement is proof that this is not the case. We know social distancing works, yet you don't want to implement it. I said I don't want to force it on people - I never said it was a bad idea to remove yourself from close contact with strangers during a pandemic. Forcing it on people is how you get deaths of despair, run everyone's businesses to the ground, and ruin every healthy person's life who isn't at risk. You don't have to force it. Social distancing is a decision an individual makes, and a rational individual would choose to do this if they wanted to live without the risk of getting infected.
      - kelnos 6y ago
        > I said I don't want to force it on people - I never said it was a bad idea to remove yourself from close contact with strangers during a pandemic. Allowing anyone to opt out disproportionately negatively affects people who are unable to isolate for whatever reason: essential job, medical emergency, etc. People not isolating creates more risk for the grocery checkout person or power plant operator, for example. > Social distancing is a decision an individual makes, and a rational individual would choose to do this if they wanted to live without the risk of getting infected. It's just selfishness (or at best rank ignorance) to believe that whether or not you personally isolate only affects your health.

selectodude 6y ago

I know zero people that have been permanently damaged by COVID. I don't think my social circle is all that small, either.

solosoyokaze 6y ago
Consider yourself lucky. Would your opinion change if you knew a few people your age that almost didn't make it? It's anecdotal for sure, but once you see it with your own eyes it definitely makes you take it seriously.
- selectodude 6y ago
  My mother died of cancer in her mid-40s. She had me pretty young so I had a front row seat to the entire thing. Terrible, terrible thing to go through. I do nothing to reduce my risk of cancer. I just can't live my life like that. Some people can and do. I wish I were one of them.
  - solosoyokaze 6y ago
    Thank you for the honest answer and personal anecdote. Sorry about your mom.
rcpt 6y ago
Here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.16.21249950v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.16.21249950v...
- robocat 6y ago
  “Findings: 236,379 patients survived a confirmed diagnosis of COVID-19. Among them, the estimated incidence of neurological or psychiatric sequelae at 6 months was 33.6%, with 12.8% receiving their first such diagnosis. Most diagnostic categories were commoner after COVID-19 ... including stroke, intracranial haemorrhage, dementia, and psychotic disorders.” It would be interesting to do a relative comparison of physical and psych effects of lockdown versus post-Covid complications. It isn’t clear what the severity for the “33.6%” was.

kelnos 6y ago

Not the parent poster, but I still think a bunch of people getting killed in a war is worse than dying from COVID, even if they are literally the same people dying in both cases. The latter is just nature being nature, and while we can respond in some ways to reduce deaths, it will never be perfect. I get that in some ways that feels worse, because there's a feeling of powerlessness. But the former is humans being shitty and murdering each other in the name of nationalism, land, resources, religion, whatever.

solosoyokaze 6y ago
It's "natural" for humans to fight too, it doesn't make it pleasant. I don't know that war and disease need to be ranked. Both are horrible and humanity has a long history suffering with both. We now know enough about the nature of disease that we can be somewhat effective dealing with it. If people embrace the science that is.