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Tim is so right. In addition, for friends and family a post on FB about my cat is just as news worthy as a NYT article. It is not for governments to decide what

Tim is so right. In addition, for friends and family a post on FB about my cat is just as news worthy as a NYT article. It is not for governments to decide what is news or not. Keep the web free. Avoid imposing rules and taxes. Ultimately a news organization is an internet citizen like you or me. They should not have different privileges.

soco 6y ago
Very true, the master's words. But do they really apply? I see the story rather like two giants trying to strong-arm each other: social media trying to have everything under their control as always (and not pay for said control), and old media habits trying to have everything under their control as always (and get paid for said control). Either way I lose, because they aren't fighting about the content per se, just about how to handle it.
- martin_drapeau 6y ago
  I fail to see how you lose if the internet remains free. Just avoid social media if it bothers you. I really don't mind social media being so big and growing. You don't have to live on their platforms.
  - soco 6y ago
    I lose by the grip of the law - internet may stay free but I'm getting restricted in what I can do with it.
pmlnr 6y ago
> as news worthy as a NYT article ::insert doubt meme:: Make them write a blog post, please. If it's inside Facebook, it's useless; it can't be added to archive.org, can't be read without Facebook.
- martin_drapeau 6y ago
  Agreed. However anyone is free to make things publicly available or not.
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declnz 6y ago
Web? Free? We're talking about the walled garden of Facebook here no?
threatofrain 6y ago
Why should a business be treated like you and me? A business is clearly different, and when we create laws preventing employee abuse, or when we even recognize an employer employee relationship exists or is useful to talk about, we are acknowledging the most important difference — power. My ability to argue about drugs shouldn’t be on the same footing as DuPont. Companies should be held to a higher standard of speech, as pretending that parties are the same despite lopsided power is going to play out very badly for the weak.
- strictnein 6y ago
  Those businesses can quickly and easily block the Google and Facebook bots. Here is the info if one wants to update their robots.txt to tell the FB bot to go away: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/sharing/webmasters/crawler/ https://developers.facebook.com/docs/sharing/webmasters/craw...
  - threatofrain 6y ago
    I’m talking about business vs individuals. Where are the individuals in your story? Surely not News Corp or FB.
umvi 6y ago
> Ultimately a news organization is an internet citizen like you or me. They should not have different privileges. This is the right take. If news organizations get paid whenever someone @mentions them (metaphorically speaking), why shouldn't I get paid as well whenever someone @mentions me? In other words, if someone links to my website, I should get paid too!

soco 6y ago

Very true, the master's words. But do they really apply? I see the story rather like two giants trying to strong-arm each other: social media trying to have everything under their control as always (and not pay for said control), and old media habits trying to have everything under their control as always (and get paid for said control). Either way I lose, because they aren't fighting about the content per se, just about how to handle it.

martin_drapeau 6y ago
I fail to see how you lose if the internet remains free. Just avoid social media if it bothers you. I really don't mind social media being so big and growing. You don't have to live on their platforms.
- soco 6y ago
  I lose by the grip of the law - internet may stay free but I'm getting restricted in what I can do with it.

pmlnr 6y ago

> as news worthy as a NYT article ::insert doubt meme:: Make them write a blog post, please. If it's inside Facebook, it's useless; it can't be added to archive.org, can't be read without Facebook.

martin_drapeau 6y ago
Agreed. However anyone is free to make things publicly available or not.
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declnz 6y ago

Web? Free? We're talking about the walled garden of Facebook here no?

threatofrain 6y ago

Why should a business be treated like you and me? A business is clearly different, and when we create laws preventing employee abuse, or when we even recognize an employer employee relationship exists or is useful to talk about, we are acknowledging the most important difference — power. My ability to argue about drugs shouldn’t be on the same footing as DuPont. Companies should be held to a higher standard of speech, as pretending that parties are the same despite lopsided power is going to play out very badly for the weak.

strictnein 6y ago
Those businesses can quickly and easily block the Google and Facebook bots. Here is the info if one wants to update their robots.txt to tell the FB bot to go away: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/sharing/webmasters/crawler/ https://developers.facebook.com/docs/sharing/webmasters/craw...
- threatofrain 6y ago
  I’m talking about business vs individuals. Where are the individuals in your story? Surely not News Corp or FB.

umvi 6y ago

> Ultimately a news organization is an internet citizen like you or me. They should not have different privileges. This is the right take. If news organizations get paid whenever someone @mentions them (metaphorically speaking), why shouldn't I get paid as well whenever someone @mentions me? In other words, if someone links to my website, I should get paid too!