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I agree with your general take on developer productivity, but I don't feel that modern JS is significantly messier than Python, at least not to a level where it

I agree with your general take on developer productivity, but I don't feel that modern JS is significantly messier than Python, at least not to a level where it significantly impacts productivity (I'd rather avoid a debate on the abyssal depths of the language, eg, type coercion) I feel about the same amount of grievances with both. For instance I dislike Python's async and functional semantics (list(map(lambda n...). But it has a much better standard library overall, a lot of the scripting syntax semantics (file opening, requests, etc.) feel cleaner, etc. I'm more versed in JS but as the knowledge curves converge in months or years to come I don't think I'll be significantly more productive in Python. I know you were expressing an entirely subjective opinion, probably contingent on the amount of day-to-day practice you have with each language (you say you code JS in the front-end now and then... I write a lot of it), but I still wanted to offer my counterargument.

BiteCode_dev 6y ago
> list(map(lambda n... List comprehensions are much better for this. Functional doesn't mean you have to use a function call. If you can use the paradigm with literal syntax, just do so.
- arcturus17 6y ago
  I never said functional means you necessarily have to use a function call, and I also understand list comprehensions are semantically functional, but sometimes you do need to use a function call.
- pas 6y ago
  They don't really compose nicely. (At least from my point of view, as I prefer fluent interfaces, eg. those you usually find in Rust/Scala/Java.)
kavalg 6y ago
Thanks for the JS perspctive. Since my frontend work mostly involves hacking together prototypes and trying to integrate some JS libs in as quickly as possible, I guess I am kind of biased.
- randomsearch 6y ago
  JS feels very mess to me too. I think the main reason is it’s so variable - things like modules - whereas Python everything is mostly just so consistently... pythonic.

BiteCode_dev 6y ago

> list(map(lambda n... List comprehensions are much better for this. Functional doesn't mean you have to use a function call. If you can use the paradigm with literal syntax, just do so.

arcturus17 6y ago
I never said functional means you necessarily have to use a function call, and I also understand list comprehensions are semantically functional, but sometimes you do need to use a function call.
pas 6y ago
They don't really compose nicely. (At least from my point of view, as I prefer fluent interfaces, eg. those you usually find in Rust/Scala/Java.)

kavalg 6y ago

Thanks for the JS perspctive. Since my frontend work mostly involves hacking together prototypes and trying to integrate some JS libs in as quickly as possible, I guess I am kind of biased.

randomsearch 6y ago
JS feels very mess to me too. I think the main reason is it’s so variable - things like modules - whereas Python everything is mostly just so consistently... pythonic.