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Sounds like the difference between the language vs the ecosystem. Compare and contrast how happy are users of Java the language vs JVM the ecosystem (Clojure,

by watt 6y ago

Sounds like the difference between the language vs the ecosystem. Compare and contrast how happy are users of Java the language vs JVM the ecosystem (Clojure, Scala, Kotlin, etc).

ssijak 6y ago
Actually Java the language is pretty ok nowadays. And taking into account mature ecosystem, libraries, jvm and IntelliJ IDE, Java is enjoyable to work with.
BoyRobot777 6y ago
With records, multi-line strings, and upcoming pattern matching + virtual threads, I hardly see any need to switch languages. I really enjoy working with Java and JVM ecosystem which is very vibrant and has a plethora of tools/libraries. I'm happy when I'm productive and ship stuff. I'm unhappy when I have to struggle with obscure/undocumented libraries/tools.
- StreamBright 6y ago
  I would totally pick Kotlin for my next project if we haven't invested into F# / .Net so much AND if we were not happy.