I agree with you. ORMs are at the end "converting" complexity of SQL capabilities into objects. It is perfectly normal that in best situation they will get at l

I agree with you. ORMs are at the end "converting" complexity of SQL capabilities into objects. It is perfectly normal that in best situation they will get at least as complex as SQLs but with features hidden behind annotations or be less efficient. SQL is readable (at least far more than 20m lasigna of boilerplate objects decorated with tons of annotations googled from internet where no one really know what they do) and you KNOW that if you have optimized the database structure (and filesystem, and network,... :D) and SQL statement you will get peak performance while with ORMs you are on constant hunt what else can you turn on while they are far too huge to read their code. And they are becoming quite absurd after they "mature" and begin adding corner cases that no one has thought about when they were a starting project.