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> Nuclear is in a bad state in France. Their recent attempts to build new reactors have gone massively over budget. Existing reactors are aging and it looks lik

by Seb-C 6y ago

> Nuclear is in a bad state in France. Their recent attempts to build new reactors have gone massively over budget. Existing reactors are aging and it looks like they cannot replace them. This is a political problem which has nothing to do to with technology or costs themselves. Most infrastructures are aging and in a bad state in France, and the skills and knowledge to build or replace it has long been lost. Add on top of this politically strong ecologist-extremists who decided that nuclear is evil and must be gone, and who will do everything to sabotage any project. To take a counter example, nuclear is doing fine and growing in many countries, including China.

bildung 6y ago
> This is a political problem which has nothing to do to with technology or costs themselves. No, nowhere in the world is nuclear power economically competitive. Construction costs are about 3x-4x the cost per kW compared to solar or wind. [0 page 11][1] > nuclear is doing fine and growing in many countries, including China. No, net nuclear plants in Asia are not increasing. [0 page 4] [0] https://www.diw.de/documents/publikationen/73/diw_01.c.698579.de/dp1833.pdf https://www.diw.de/documents/publikationen/73/diw_01.c.69857... [1] https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=45136 https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=45136
- Seb-C 6y ago
  > No, nowhere in the world is nuclear power economically competitive. I only said that the problems in France are mostly due to politics, and so that we cannot use this specific example as an argument. This does not imply any affirmation from me about the absolute costs. > No, net nuclear plants in Asia are not increasing. Your link (0) page 4 only shows that the construction rate is not especially increasing lately. Page 5 of your document (0) shows that almost all reactors < 25 years old are in Asia, which contradicts your affirmation. And it also shows that the number of reactors < 5~10 years old is bigger than the ones of about 10~25 years old, which implies a growth. I don't have the knowledge or patience to read this further, but it is a very interesting read anyway, thanks.
  - pfdietz 6y ago
    > I only said that the problems in France are mostly due to politics The problems in France are because they screwed the pooch on building the latest reactor design. This wasn't politics, it was failure to execute.

by Seb-C 6y ago

bildung 6y ago

> This is a political problem which has nothing to do to with technology or costs themselves. No, nowhere in the world is nuclear power economically competitive. Construction costs are about 3x-4x the cost per kW compared to solar or wind. [0 page 11][1] > nuclear is doing fine and growing in many countries, including China. No, net nuclear plants in Asia are not increasing. [0 page 4] [0] https://www.diw.de/documents/publikationen/73/diw_01.c.698579.de/dp1833.pdf https://www.diw.de/documents/publikationen/73/diw_01.c.69857... [1] https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=45136 https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=45136

Seb-C 6y ago
> No, nowhere in the world is nuclear power economically competitive. I only said that the problems in France are mostly due to politics, and so that we cannot use this specific example as an argument. This does not imply any affirmation from me about the absolute costs. > No, net nuclear plants in Asia are not increasing. Your link (0) page 4 only shows that the construction rate is not especially increasing lately. Page 5 of your document (0) shows that almost all reactors < 25 years old are in Asia, which contradicts your affirmation. And it also shows that the number of reactors < 5~10 years old is bigger than the ones of about 10~25 years old, which implies a growth. I don't have the knowledge or patience to read this further, but it is a very interesting read anyway, thanks.
- pfdietz 6y ago
  > I only said that the problems in France are mostly due to politics The problems in France are because they screwed the pooch on building the latest reactor design. This wasn't politics, it was failure to execute.