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ChessBase is selling this Stockfish clone for €99.90. They have also disabled comments on all of their articles so far about Fat Fritz 2. Not a good look. R

ChessBase is selling this Stockfish clone for €99.90. They have also disabled comments on all of their articles so far about Fat Fritz 2. Not a good look. Related Article on Lichess (which is also open source) about Fat Fritz 2: https://lichess.org/blog/YCvy7xMAACIA8007/fat-fritz-2-is-a-rip-off https://lichess.org/blog/YCvy7xMAACIA8007/fat-fritz-2-is-a-r...

cambalache 6y ago
They are a sketchy company, from the over-zealousness to defend their "IP" to the price they demand for their yearly software, to the creepy vibe their articles about young female players have. So no sympathy from me, go stockfish.
- siilats 6y ago
  Im looking at the diff, they doubled the size of NN and added themselves as additional authors in addition to the original authors and released source when requested. I.e. they gave credit to original devs, I don't understand where they violated anything. NN weights is data not code.
  - kevinwang 6y ago
    Yes but read the article. It's the way the "author" presented the work as novel that's indefensibly hucksterish
- mosselman 6y ago
  Do you have any links for these things?
- user-the-name 6y ago
  People are never just ONE type of awful. It's almost always a package deal. See also https://blog.valerieaurora.org/2017/07/18/the-al-capone-theory-of-sexual-harassment/ https://blog.valerieaurora.org/2017/07/18/the-al-capone-theo....
- thom 6y ago
  It's also just an appalling piece of software. I wish the market for competitive chess were bigger so someone was incentivised to dethrone them.
autocorr 6y ago
Thanks for the link. That git diff is absurd: 9 changed files with 21 additions and 30 deletions[1]. It really is just Stockfish using different weights and changing the name... The fact this Albert Silver fella did the same with Leela Chess Zero two years ago is even worse, no remorse! [1] https://github.com/official-stockfish/Stockfish/compare/550fed3343089357dc89ecf78ce8eb4b35bcab88...DanielUranga:faef72afbf10273ca8688a4ba1c7863426c93c6e https://github.com/official-stockfish/Stockfish/compare/550f...
dang 6y ago
This comment was originally posted to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26188485 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26188485, which points to https://blog.stockfishchess.org/post/643239805544792064/statement-on-fat-fritz-2 https://blog.stockfishchess.org/post/643239805544792064/stat..., a related article. We merged the threads.
tromp 6y ago
Feel free to express your disgust by leaving feedback for the ChessBase editors at e.g. https://en.chessbase.com/feedback/fat-fritz-2-best-of-both-worlds https://en.chessbase.com/feedback/fat-fritz-2-best-of-both-w...

cambalache 6y ago

They are a sketchy company, from the over-zealousness to defend their "IP" to the price they demand for their yearly software, to the creepy vibe their articles about young female players have. So no sympathy from me, go stockfish.

siilats 6y ago
Im looking at the diff, they doubled the size of NN and added themselves as additional authors in addition to the original authors and released source when requested. I.e. they gave credit to original devs, I don't understand where they violated anything. NN weights is data not code.
- kevinwang 6y ago
  Yes but read the article. It's the way the "author" presented the work as novel that's indefensibly hucksterish
mosselman 6y ago
Do you have any links for these things?
user-the-name 6y ago
People are never just ONE type of awful. It's almost always a package deal. See also https://blog.valerieaurora.org/2017/07/18/the-al-capone-theory-of-sexual-harassment/ https://blog.valerieaurora.org/2017/07/18/the-al-capone-theo....
thom 6y ago
It's also just an appalling piece of software. I wish the market for competitive chess were bigger so someone was incentivised to dethrone them.

autocorr 6y ago

Thanks for the link. That git diff is absurd: 9 changed files with 21 additions and 30 deletions[1]. It really is just Stockfish using different weights and changing the name... The fact this Albert Silver fella did the same with Leela Chess Zero two years ago is even worse, no remorse! [1] https://github.com/official-stockfish/Stockfish/compare/550fed3343089357dc89ecf78ce8eb4b35bcab88...DanielUranga:faef72afbf10273ca8688a4ba1c7863426c93c6e https://github.com/official-stockfish/Stockfish/compare/550f...

dang 6y ago

This comment was originally posted to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26188485 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26188485, which points to https://blog.stockfishchess.org/post/643239805544792064/statement-on-fat-fritz-2 https://blog.stockfishchess.org/post/643239805544792064/stat..., a related article. We merged the threads.

tromp 6y ago

Feel free to express your disgust by leaving feedback for the ChessBase editors at e.g. https://en.chessbase.com/feedback/fat-fritz-2-best-of-both-worlds https://en.chessbase.com/feedback/fat-fritz-2-best-of-both-w...