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Culture can be defined as the qualities that make one society, whether separated by space or time, notably distinct from another. With that said: * Joe Rogan:

Culture can be defined as the qualities that make one society, whether separated by space or time, notably distinct from another. With that said: * Joe Rogan: Podcasting is now a legitimate profession and long form interviews are common. * Joe Rogan: Juijitsu and MMA were previously obscure. * The former U.S. President: Never compromise, form a strong opinion without any or few facts, and never admit mistakes. We now have an epidemic of this personality type. When I was young I was warned this "street thug" way of thinking is what kept people in my neighborhood poor. But now it's everywhere. * Sam Altman and PG: They literally created a new culture: Startup Culture * David Goggins: Democratized extreme athleticism * Jordan Peterson: Millions of bedrooms are cleaner today than they were 10 years ago.

_throwawayyyyyy 6y ago
if your entire definition of culture is an alt-right on ramp, then sure
- goldenchrome 6y ago
  Everything on that list is mainstream. If you define that as an alt-right on ramp then you’re probably disconnected from a large part of our society.
  - anon_tor_12345 6y ago
    >Sam Altman and PG you think YC is mainstream? outside of tech absolutely no one knows what it is (let alone sam altman and paul graham). it's fair to say that, outside of joe rogan and trump, the other names on this person's list are not mainstream (jordan peterson is not well known outside of a very small group of people).
    - rtrdea 6y ago
      I have a blue collar factory job. But I know who all these people are
  - jjj123 6y ago
    I have no doubt I’m disconnected from a large part of our society, but genuine question: is Jordan Peterson mainstream? I know he’s very popular but doesn’t seem like he’s broken out of the right wing/apolitical young white male demographic, but I could be wrong.
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  - 3131s 6y ago
    That's not mainstream, it's just moron fodder that Youtube recommends to young white males. That list is a reflection of cultural decay, a vacuum where charlatans consume the empty intellectual space.
    - throwaway803453 6y ago
      There are millions of forgotten (and fatherless) people, who suffer from depression, aimlessness, lack of discipline, nihilism, addiction, self-loathing and self pity. JP, speaks to those people and encourages them to find power through inner strength, personal responsibility, and discipline and not from from oppressing others or joining a mob. I am a middle aged, wealthy, Latino, liberal, atheist (i.e., not the stereotype mentioned in your comment) JP fan and would appreciate a coherent criticism. What am I missing ? Your above reply didn't add any clarity to this discussion.
      - thrown67 6y ago
        Jordan Peterson is a charlatan. He is sexist. He is not a typical representative of a psychologist and one should be very wary of recommending him to someone depressed, he can put petrol on their fires [1][2]. I'm Indian and I find him similar in style though very different to the charlatan 'Sadhguru' Jaggi Vasudev. JP spews very poisonous bullshit along with his generic advises. I think the Nathan J Robinson piece about him 'The Intellectual we Deserve' is a good starting point [3]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25534961 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25534961 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25533794 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25533794 [3] https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-d...
        _throwawayyyyyy 6y ago
        just posting that i love this comment and thank you
- flippinburgers 6y ago
  I will never understand the hate directed towards Peterson or Rogan for that matter.
neltnerb 6y ago
The thing is that you're largely talking about people who have influenced culture, whereas the article seems to define "culture heroes" as people with name recognition across society (presumably including across ages, regions, religions, politics, etc). Not super clear but I read it as "in the US" since language barriers make it very clear that the median culture is very much on the other side of the globe. I don't think any of those people other than the former (two) US presidents cut the mustard. They might have changed culture, but they're not "heroes" in the "icon" sense. For cultural icons that everyone across society recognizes, for better and worse I have to imagine those ridiculous segments where they go around and interview random people to ask them who people who I think are comically well known are only to find that people don't know who like Kamala Harris is. Terrifying, but that's what I think the OP was getting at. Who else might I add? Who would a 15 year old from Chicago recognize as well as a 73 year old in Tallahassee? Robin Williams maybe? Literally Mickey Mouse? Payton Manning? Elon Musk? I know I'm out of touch, but I didn't recognize the name for Joe Rogan, Sam Altman, David Goggins, or Jordan Peterson. I have no doubt they have impacted my life, I've even studied karate for over a decade and had friends training MMA and BJJ in class with me; Joe Rogan himself never came up though so while it's awesome that culture now includes MMA and BJJ, Joe Rogan himself is not a culture hero by this classification.
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afavour 6y ago
I think you’re attributing a lot to a few there. Absolutely Joe Rogan helped make podcasts the phenomenon they are today, but so did a whole lot of other people. Same with PG and Altman: “startup culture” exists outside of their influence. I guess my metric is “if they didn’t exist, would their achievements have still happened?”. I’d argue with PG and Rogan they would have, but that Trump would not. Another I’d include on that list is Steve Jobs.
- willcipriano 6y ago
  >Absolutely Joe Rogan helped make podcasts the phenomenon they are today, but so did a whole lot of other people. Same with PG and Altman: “startup culture” Ricky Gervais really got the ball rolling on podcasts early on. I'd credit much of it to him, Steven Merchant and Karl Pilkington. Frankly I think that podcast still represents the best work in the medium.
GoblinSlayer 6y ago
Street thug thinking makes people rich, all those listed business executives became rich this way.

_throwawayyyyyy 6y ago

if your entire definition of culture is an alt-right on ramp, then sure

goldenchrome 6y ago
Everything on that list is mainstream. If you define that as an alt-right on ramp then you’re probably disconnected from a large part of our society.
- anon_tor_12345 6y ago
  >Sam Altman and PG you think YC is mainstream? outside of tech absolutely no one knows what it is (let alone sam altman and paul graham). it's fair to say that, outside of joe rogan and trump, the other names on this person's list are not mainstream (jordan peterson is not well known outside of a very small group of people).
  - rtrdea 6y ago
    I have a blue collar factory job. But I know who all these people are
- jjj123 6y ago
  I have no doubt I’m disconnected from a large part of our society, but genuine question: is Jordan Peterson mainstream? I know he’s very popular but doesn’t seem like he’s broken out of the right wing/apolitical young white male demographic, but I could be wrong.
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- 3131s 6y ago
  That's not mainstream, it's just moron fodder that Youtube recommends to young white males. That list is a reflection of cultural decay, a vacuum where charlatans consume the empty intellectual space.
  - throwaway803453 6y ago
    There are millions of forgotten (and fatherless) people, who suffer from depression, aimlessness, lack of discipline, nihilism, addiction, self-loathing and self pity. JP, speaks to those people and encourages them to find power through inner strength, personal responsibility, and discipline and not from from oppressing others or joining a mob. I am a middle aged, wealthy, Latino, liberal, atheist (i.e., not the stereotype mentioned in your comment) JP fan and would appreciate a coherent criticism. What am I missing ? Your above reply didn't add any clarity to this discussion.
    - thrown67 6y ago
      Jordan Peterson is a charlatan. He is sexist. He is not a typical representative of a psychologist and one should be very wary of recommending him to someone depressed, he can put petrol on their fires [1][2]. I'm Indian and I find him similar in style though very different to the charlatan 'Sadhguru' Jaggi Vasudev. JP spews very poisonous bullshit along with his generic advises. I think the Nathan J Robinson piece about him 'The Intellectual we Deserve' is a good starting point [3]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25534961 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25534961 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25533794 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25533794 [3] https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-d...
      - _throwawayyyyyy 6y ago
        just posting that i love this comment and thank you
flippinburgers 6y ago
I will never understand the hate directed towards Peterson or Rogan for that matter.

neltnerb 6y ago

The thing is that you're largely talking about people who have influenced culture, whereas the article seems to define "culture heroes" as people with name recognition across society (presumably including across ages, regions, religions, politics, etc). Not super clear but I read it as "in the US" since language barriers make it very clear that the median culture is very much on the other side of the globe. I don't think any of those people other than the former (two) US presidents cut the mustard. They might have changed culture, but they're not "heroes" in the "icon" sense. For cultural icons that everyone across society recognizes, for better and worse I have to imagine those ridiculous segments where they go around and interview random people to ask them who people who I think are comically well known are only to find that people don't know who like Kamala Harris is. Terrifying, but that's what I think the OP was getting at. Who else might I add? Who would a 15 year old from Chicago recognize as well as a 73 year old in Tallahassee? Robin Williams maybe? Literally Mickey Mouse? Payton Manning? Elon Musk? I know I'm out of touch, but I didn't recognize the name for Joe Rogan, Sam Altman, David Goggins, or Jordan Peterson. I have no doubt they have impacted my life, I've even studied karate for over a decade and had friends training MMA and BJJ in class with me; Joe Rogan himself never came up though so while it's awesome that culture now includes MMA and BJJ, Joe Rogan himself is not a culture hero by this classification.

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afavour 6y ago

I think you’re attributing a lot to a few there. Absolutely Joe Rogan helped make podcasts the phenomenon they are today, but so did a whole lot of other people. Same with PG and Altman: “startup culture” exists outside of their influence. I guess my metric is “if they didn’t exist, would their achievements have still happened?”. I’d argue with PG and Rogan they would have, but that Trump would not. Another I’d include on that list is Steve Jobs.

willcipriano 6y ago
>Absolutely Joe Rogan helped make podcasts the phenomenon they are today, but so did a whole lot of other people. Same with PG and Altman: “startup culture” Ricky Gervais really got the ball rolling on podcasts early on. I'd credit much of it to him, Steven Merchant and Karl Pilkington. Frankly I think that podcast still represents the best work in the medium.

GoblinSlayer 6y ago

Street thug thinking makes people rich, all those listed business executives became rich this way.