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This is like the left-wing version of "Hurricane Katrina was a punishment for homosexuality". A mix of generalization, moralizing, and I-told-you-so. Just nas

by slibhb 6y ago

This is like the left-wing version of "Hurricane Katrina was a punishment for homosexuality". A mix of generalization, moralizing, and I-told-you-so. Just nasty.

zmj 6y ago
No - predictions are different than post-dictions blaming the people you already didn't like.
- slibhb 6y ago
  Yes, and this is the latter.
  - NeutronStar 6y ago
    Did the homosexuals cause hurricane Katrina to exists? Did the burning of gas increase the likelyhood of climate change? See the difference?
walrus01 6y ago
climate science is neither "left" nor "right" - If you believe that the IPCC and its various participants' scientific findings is some sort of vast left wing conspiracy, you probably live in an alternate-reality echo chamber. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergovernmental_Panel_on_Climate_Change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergovernmental_Panel_on_Cli...
- koolba 6y ago
  If we can’t trust the WHO to give us honest answers about the sources and dangers of a pandemic virus, I don’t see why we’d default to trusting a similarly structured organization to give us honest answers about climate change research.
  - dane-pgp 6y ago
    > honest answers about the sources and dangers of a pandemic virus The accuracy of answers about the source of a virus was very much dependent on the level of openness and cooperation from the jurisdiction in which the virus originated. Climate change, on the other hand, does not have a single geographical source, and therefore the IPCC is less limited in the information available to it. Similarly, I suspect that the WHO's early mistakes or inaccuracies in assessing the dangers of the virus were due to the fact that most of the early cases and mortality data were being collected in a single jurisdiction.
    - edbob 6y ago
      WHO deliberately chooses to kowtow to China and exclude Taiwan, the country with one of the best records on Covid-19 and with the experience and knowledge to fight it successfully. At some point sacrificing public health to accommodate a genocidal regime becomes a matter of institutional failure. Don't waste your breath making excuses for them. The WHO's "inaccuracies" go far beyond believing CCP propaganda.
      - sudosysgen 6y ago
        The WHO is part of the UN. The UN doesn't recognize Taiwan. It's as simple as that.
      - deleted 6y ago
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      - angry_octet 6y ago
        You're experiencing the 'criticising the CCP is forbidden' backlash with these downvotes, it's one of the HN voting system failures. But you've hit on a problem: can we maintain global cooperative institutions in the face of an expansionist hegemonic power like China? I don't think we can, because anything controversial and it gets ripped apart. The US and allied countries have their own national organizations, but even the EU is compromised on a number of issues, such as creeping fascism (Poland and Hungary) and the inability to take action against member states, or even coordinate in a pandemic. Even NATO is compromised by expansion to include such countries, and Turkey as well. So I'm questioning how useful large group multi-lateralism is for an organization like the WHO.
- slibhb 6y ago
  I didn't say it was left or right. I was responding to your comment, which was petty partisanship. Anyway, your attitude is unscientific. If there were no unusual weather events for 5 years, it wouldn't "prove climate change wrong". By the same token, it's moronic to say "look, climate change!" every time there's an unusual weather event.
  - walrus01 6y ago
    Plot the number of 100 year records being broken per year, for extreme heat or extreme cold, on a chart for the past 20 years and then tell me there isn't something unusual going on in the recent climate. It's a scientific fact that many places in the world are now seeing weather extremes that have literally not been recorded in their past 100 years of data, on a rapidly increasing basis. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-53140069 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-53140069 https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/06/1066882 https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/06/1066882 but I'm sure that you'll be happy to tell me that the United Nations and the BBC are both extreme left-wing partisans.
    - slibhb 6y ago
      You took my first response as "climate change is left-wing". You took my second response as "statistics aren't real". I never said either of those things. I think pointing to a weather event and saying "look climate change!" is dumb. It's not statistics. No matter how steep your line is, it doesn't prove "X weather event would not have occurred if not for global warming". All I responded to was this comment which was nasty and added nothing to your post: > And where else in the USA has been a bastion of oil/petrochemical industry climate change denialism, than Texas?
    - JamesBarney 6y ago
      Is it true we're having an anomalous number of extreme cold events? All of your links are about an anomalous number of extreme heating events.

by slibhb 6y ago

This is like the left-wing version of "Hurricane Katrina was a punishment for homosexuality". A mix of generalization, moralizing, and I-told-you-so. Just nasty.

zmj 6y ago

No - predictions are different than post-dictions blaming the people you already didn't like.

slibhb 6y ago
Yes, and this is the latter.
- NeutronStar 6y ago
  Did the homosexuals cause hurricane Katrina to exists? Did the burning of gas increase the likelyhood of climate change? See the difference?

walrus01 6y ago

climate science is neither "left" nor "right" - If you believe that the IPCC and its various participants' scientific findings is some sort of vast left wing conspiracy, you probably live in an alternate-reality echo chamber. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergovernmental_Panel_on_Climate_Change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergovernmental_Panel_on_Cli...

koolba 6y ago
If we can’t trust the WHO to give us honest answers about the sources and dangers of a pandemic virus, I don’t see why we’d default to trusting a similarly structured organization to give us honest answers about climate change research.
- dane-pgp 6y ago
  > honest answers about the sources and dangers of a pandemic virus The accuracy of answers about the source of a virus was very much dependent on the level of openness and cooperation from the jurisdiction in which the virus originated. Climate change, on the other hand, does not have a single geographical source, and therefore the IPCC is less limited in the information available to it. Similarly, I suspect that the WHO's early mistakes or inaccuracies in assessing the dangers of the virus were due to the fact that most of the early cases and mortality data were being collected in a single jurisdiction.
  - edbob 6y ago
    WHO deliberately chooses to kowtow to China and exclude Taiwan, the country with one of the best records on Covid-19 and with the experience and knowledge to fight it successfully. At some point sacrificing public health to accommodate a genocidal regime becomes a matter of institutional failure. Don't waste your breath making excuses for them. The WHO's "inaccuracies" go far beyond believing CCP propaganda.
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      The WHO is part of the UN. The UN doesn't recognize Taiwan. It's as simple as that.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - angry_octet 6y ago
      You're experiencing the 'criticising the CCP is forbidden' backlash with these downvotes, it's one of the HN voting system failures. But you've hit on a problem: can we maintain global cooperative institutions in the face of an expansionist hegemonic power like China? I don't think we can, because anything controversial and it gets ripped apart. The US and allied countries have their own national organizations, but even the EU is compromised on a number of issues, such as creeping fascism (Poland and Hungary) and the inability to take action against member states, or even coordinate in a pandemic. Even NATO is compromised by expansion to include such countries, and Turkey as well. So I'm questioning how useful large group multi-lateralism is for an organization like the WHO.
slibhb 6y ago
I didn't say it was left or right. I was responding to your comment, which was petty partisanship. Anyway, your attitude is unscientific. If there were no unusual weather events for 5 years, it wouldn't "prove climate change wrong". By the same token, it's moronic to say "look, climate change!" every time there's an unusual weather event.
- walrus01 6y ago
  Plot the number of 100 year records being broken per year, for extreme heat or extreme cold, on a chart for the past 20 years and then tell me there isn't something unusual going on in the recent climate. It's a scientific fact that many places in the world are now seeing weather extremes that have literally not been recorded in their past 100 years of data, on a rapidly increasing basis. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-53140069 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-53140069 https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/06/1066882 https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/06/1066882 but I'm sure that you'll be happy to tell me that the United Nations and the BBC are both extreme left-wing partisans.
  - slibhb 6y ago
    You took my first response as "climate change is left-wing". You took my second response as "statistics aren't real". I never said either of those things. I think pointing to a weather event and saying "look climate change!" is dumb. It's not statistics. No matter how steep your line is, it doesn't prove "X weather event would not have occurred if not for global warming". All I responded to was this comment which was nasty and added nothing to your post: > And where else in the USA has been a bastion of oil/petrochemical industry climate change denialism, than Texas?
  - JamesBarney 6y ago
    Is it true we're having an anomalous number of extreme cold events? All of your links are about an anomalous number of extreme heating events.