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No one in the middle?

pvarangot 6y ago
Not by selling psychedelics, maybe yes in like, a chemical engineer working on a plant and side loading some production or making sure a package gets lost. But it's almost imposible to make a middle class normal life out of selling this stuff. The market is just not there. For stimulants maybe and yeah your shady neighborhood cocaine dealer will probably get you some LSD and resell at a markup price after getting it from the friendly neighborhood psychonaut or public relations guy that needs to be stocked on MDMA for parties, but that's not their main job.
- 3131s 6y ago
  No drug dealer wants to sell psychedelics because your customers will act like morons, get arrested, and then snitch on you in their panicked, delirious state. I've seen it happen many times. A single sheet goes for about 400$ in most places if you have good connections, or at least it used to. That's 100 doses, which is going to take a lot longer to run through compared a similar amount of weed, for example. So all around it's bad business, but somebody like Petaluma Al was probably making a decent living.
  - pvarangot 6y ago
    Hahaha yeah I mean not get them arrested but I heard really weird stories when people get delirious and think their dealers have some kind of magical power or connection to a secret society. I guess that's another reason why people that will sell you psychedelics usually do it for some kind of cause or to enhance another bussineses they have.
- mandelbrotwurst 6y ago
  Got it, I thought you were saying that none of them were middle-class generally, didn’t realize you just meant no one being kept in the middle class by the work.
starpilot 6y ago
The thing is psy's generally aren't addictive so they're not that profitable. Marijuana and alcohol are way more habit-forming. People take LSD a few times, then it doesn't really work any more. Then there's the notion of you got the message/insights from the drug, time to hang up the phone.
- pvarangot 6y ago
  Oh it keeps on working, you just have to learn how to "use it" and that's not something that your average dealer will tell you. But yeah LSD is great at getting you off other stuff so sometimes it's even bad bussineses if you like also sell cocaine. It's also hella dangerous combined with weed so if you deal weed dealing LSD too is like a really bad idea. When I think psychedelic dealers I'm thinking more about MDMA which is/was kinda profitable and have customers coming back when we had parties and festivals.
  - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
    > It's also hella dangerous combined with weed I’ve never heard this before; it seems like something I should know; respecfully, would you mind elaborating?
    - amanaplanacanal 6y ago
      I don’t know about dangerous, but I found the combination extremely unpleasant back when I did such things.
      - Forbo 6y ago
        According to this chart, it is something that should be approached with caution: https://wiki.tripsit.me/images/3/3a/Combo_2.png https://wiki.tripsit.me/images/3/3a/Combo_2.png
      - pvarangot 6y ago
        As in body feelings or were you getting like severe paranoia or social anxiety? If it's body feelings meditation, a good diet, etc... helps, if you want to keep on doing it. If it's the other thing you just have to be very careful as you may loose control completely. The reason to keep on doing it and learn how to deal with the body feelings it's because it's a very unique mind opening experience, only that it can be a bit too much. With the right set and setting and the right doses LSD+weed can be as "mind expanding" as ingesting DMT or a salvia breakthrough, or even wilder. If you don't have the right company it can be dangerous though as you will probably be very very very easy to influence, it's not uncommon to just hallucinate what other people tell you.

Not by selling psychedelics, maybe yes in like, a chemical engineer working on a plant and side loading some production or making sure a package gets lost. But it's almost imposible to make a middle class normal life out of selling this stuff. The market is just not there. For stimulants maybe and yeah your shady neighborhood cocaine dealer will probably get you some LSD and resell at a markup price after getting it from the friendly neighborhood psychonaut or public relations guy that needs to be stocked on MDMA for parties, but that's not their main job.

3131s 6y ago
No drug dealer wants to sell psychedelics because your customers will act like morons, get arrested, and then snitch on you in their panicked, delirious state. I've seen it happen many times. A single sheet goes for about 400$ in most places if you have good connections, or at least it used to. That's 100 doses, which is going to take a lot longer to run through compared a similar amount of weed, for example. So all around it's bad business, but somebody like Petaluma Al was probably making a decent living.
- pvarangot 6y ago
  Hahaha yeah I mean not get them arrested but I heard really weird stories when people get delirious and think their dealers have some kind of magical power or connection to a secret society. I guess that's another reason why people that will sell you psychedelics usually do it for some kind of cause or to enhance another bussineses they have.
mandelbrotwurst 6y ago
Got it, I thought you were saying that none of them were middle-class generally, didn’t realize you just meant no one being kept in the middle class by the work.

starpilot 6y ago

The thing is psy's generally aren't addictive so they're not that profitable. Marijuana and alcohol are way more habit-forming. People take LSD a few times, then it doesn't really work any more. Then there's the notion of you got the message/insights from the drug, time to hang up the phone.

pvarangot 6y ago
Oh it keeps on working, you just have to learn how to "use it" and that's not something that your average dealer will tell you. But yeah LSD is great at getting you off other stuff so sometimes it's even bad bussineses if you like also sell cocaine. It's also hella dangerous combined with weed so if you deal weed dealing LSD too is like a really bad idea. When I think psychedelic dealers I'm thinking more about MDMA which is/was kinda profitable and have customers coming back when we had parties and festivals.
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago
  > It's also hella dangerous combined with weed I’ve never heard this before; it seems like something I should know; respecfully, would you mind elaborating?
  - amanaplanacanal 6y ago
    I don’t know about dangerous, but I found the combination extremely unpleasant back when I did such things.
    - Forbo 6y ago
      According to this chart, it is something that should be approached with caution: https://wiki.tripsit.me/images/3/3a/Combo_2.png https://wiki.tripsit.me/images/3/3a/Combo_2.png
    - pvarangot 6y ago
      As in body feelings or were you getting like severe paranoia or social anxiety? If it's body feelings meditation, a good diet, etc... helps, if you want to keep on doing it. If it's the other thing you just have to be very careful as you may loose control completely. The reason to keep on doing it and learn how to deal with the body feelings it's because it's a very unique mind opening experience, only that it can be a bit too much. With the right set and setting and the right doses LSD+weed can be as "mind expanding" as ingesting DMT or a salvia breakthrough, or even wilder. If you don't have the right company it can be dangerous though as you will probably be very very very easy to influence, it's not uncommon to just hallucinate what other people tell you.