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Hawai'i could be 2nd state to legalize psychedelic mushrooms

65 points by miles 6y ago

pabloarteel 6y ago
Would love to read more about the methods/rituals/treatments they will offer to the public in those treatment centers. I've had magnificent full-dose experiences, that helped me improve enormously, and microdosing has been really beneficial for my anxiety, mood, productivity and general well being. I feel that's imperative for us to study the effects of this substances more, and a controlled set-&-setting in treatment centers are a good and safe idea to bring this to the mainstream.
mmastrac 6y ago
If you're in a good state mentally and suffer from depression (I know - seems like a bit of a contradiction), you should consider finding yourself a source for mushrooms and experimenting with microdosing. The effects of mushrooms on depression are great. You can research the probable mechanism of action (possibly neuro-plasticity or neurogenesis), but the feeling of being "less affected" by the world after you recover is freeing. Be careful, be smart, do it in a safe setting. Consult your doctor before you start. If you have a history of severe mental illness, consult a specialist.
- oliwarner 6y ago
  Re "safe setting": As with any psychedelics, always experiment with a sober friend. You'll talk utter nonsense at them for a few hours, but they can walk you around, talk you out of anything stupid and calm you down if you see anything that scares you.
  - kvnn 6y ago
    The OP said "microdosing". A microdose should not need a sober friend and should not cause you to talk utter nonsense. The colloquial definition of microdose here is "that which has sub-cognitive effects". Its generally between 0.05 and 0.1 grams for cubensis strains of mushrooms.
    - oliwarner 6y ago
      I see your point, but people are also famously bad at dosing. I'd still keep somebody around.
ericsoderstrom 6y ago
Does anyone know what conclusions (if any) could be drawn from the psychedelic studies of the 60's? The wikipedia page on the harvard study [0] is pretty light on details. Though it looks like the study only lasted 2 or 3 years before being shut down. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Psilocybin_Project#:~:text=Each%20subject%20controlled%20its%20own,%C2%ABmarked%20broadening%20of%20awareness%C2%BB https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Psilocybin_Project#:~:....
sv123 6y ago
They need to legalize the herb first.
- miles 6y ago
  Hawaii Senate Panel Approves Bills To Legalize Marijuana And Increase Decriminalization Limit https://www.marijuanamoment.net/hawaii-senate-panel-approves-bills-to-legalize-marijuana-and-increase-decriminalization-limit/ https://www.marijuanamoment.net/hawaii-senate-panel-approves... "Lawmakers in Hawaii voted to advance two marijuana bills on Tuesday, one to legalize and regulate cannabis for adults 21 and older and another to increase the amount that is covered under the state’s existing decriminalization law."
- redisman 6y ago
  At this point the ball is in the Feds court to be honest. It's about time
throwaway1557 6y ago
Beware of experimenting with psychedelics. I spent my youth in a time and place where magic mushrooms, when fresh, were legal and sold over the counter. These things can screw you up in a way that you don't even understand at the time, and only becomes clear to you decades later. Anything that changes your state of mind through a low-effort action can be habit-forming. Anything that effects your perception can create a feedback loop where you change your usage behaviour based on that change in perception, particularly when your tolerance increases. Whether it's escapism you seek, or the heightened sense of perception. Whether you think you're in control because you're microdosing or because you've got a great job and everything is going well. Be careful. Your mind is delicate.
- Wirerack 6y ago
  I am interested in the long term effects you describe. It's quite commonly known that there are consequences such as HPPD etc, however this is usually quite immediate. Any specific examples you can provide?
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - throwaway1557 6y ago
    Only personal experiences and anecdotes. Recurring nightmares, anxiety disorders, drug dependency and mild PTSD are all common stories among my friend group of that era. Whether it was causal or not, who knows. We didn't have the foresight to separate ourselves into control groups.
kvnn 6y ago
Here is the gold standard for a microdose stack that promotes neurogenesis : https://patents.google.com/patent/US20180021326A1/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US20180021326A1/en

65 points by miles 6y ago

Would love to read more about the methods/rituals/treatments they will offer to the public in those treatment centers. I've had magnificent full-dose experiences, that helped me improve enormously, and microdosing has been really beneficial for my anxiety, mood, productivity and general well being. I feel that's imperative for us to study the effects of this substances more, and a controlled set-&-setting in treatment centers are a good and safe idea to bring this to the mainstream.

mmastrac 6y ago

If you're in a good state mentally and suffer from depression (I know - seems like a bit of a contradiction), you should consider finding yourself a source for mushrooms and experimenting with microdosing. The effects of mushrooms on depression are great. You can research the probable mechanism of action (possibly neuro-plasticity or neurogenesis), but the feeling of being "less affected" by the world after you recover is freeing. Be careful, be smart, do it in a safe setting. Consult your doctor before you start. If you have a history of severe mental illness, consult a specialist.

oliwarner 6y ago
Re "safe setting": As with any psychedelics, always experiment with a sober friend. You'll talk utter nonsense at them for a few hours, but they can walk you around, talk you out of anything stupid and calm you down if you see anything that scares you.
- kvnn 6y ago
  The OP said "microdosing". A microdose should not need a sober friend and should not cause you to talk utter nonsense. The colloquial definition of microdose here is "that which has sub-cognitive effects". Its generally between 0.05 and 0.1 grams for cubensis strains of mushrooms.
  - oliwarner 6y ago
    I see your point, but people are also famously bad at dosing. I'd still keep somebody around.

ericsoderstrom 6y ago

Does anyone know what conclusions (if any) could be drawn from the psychedelic studies of the 60's? The wikipedia page on the harvard study [0] is pretty light on details. Though it looks like the study only lasted 2 or 3 years before being shut down. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Psilocybin_Project#:~:text=Each%20subject%20controlled%20its%20own,%C2%ABmarked%20broadening%20of%20awareness%C2%BB https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Psilocybin_Project#:~:....

sv123 6y ago

They need to legalize the herb first.

miles 6y ago
Hawaii Senate Panel Approves Bills To Legalize Marijuana And Increase Decriminalization Limit https://www.marijuanamoment.net/hawaii-senate-panel-approves-bills-to-legalize-marijuana-and-increase-decriminalization-limit/ https://www.marijuanamoment.net/hawaii-senate-panel-approves... "Lawmakers in Hawaii voted to advance two marijuana bills on Tuesday, one to legalize and regulate cannabis for adults 21 and older and another to increase the amount that is covered under the state’s existing decriminalization law."
redisman 6y ago
At this point the ball is in the Feds court to be honest. It's about time

throwaway1557 6y ago

Beware of experimenting with psychedelics. I spent my youth in a time and place where magic mushrooms, when fresh, were legal and sold over the counter. These things can screw you up in a way that you don't even understand at the time, and only becomes clear to you decades later. Anything that changes your state of mind through a low-effort action can be habit-forming. Anything that effects your perception can create a feedback loop where you change your usage behaviour based on that change in perception, particularly when your tolerance increases. Whether it's escapism you seek, or the heightened sense of perception. Whether you think you're in control because you're microdosing or because you've got a great job and everything is going well. Be careful. Your mind is delicate.

Wirerack 6y ago
I am interested in the long term effects you describe. It's quite commonly known that there are consequences such as HPPD etc, however this is usually quite immediate. Any specific examples you can provide?
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- throwaway1557 6y ago
  Only personal experiences and anecdotes. Recurring nightmares, anxiety disorders, drug dependency and mild PTSD are all common stories among my friend group of that era. Whether it was causal or not, who knows. We didn't have the foresight to separate ourselves into control groups.

kvnn 6y ago

Here is the gold standard for a microdose stack that promotes neurogenesis : https://patents.google.com/patent/US20180021326A1/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US20180021326A1/en