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When, or if, any LulzSec member get caught. Well, I don't want to think about it. It's also interesting that they are using BitCoin. Say they try to cash out a

by woodall 15y ago

When, or if, any LulzSec member get caught. Well, I don't want to think about it. It's also interesting that they are using BitCoin. Say they try to cash out a block chain donated/given to them that was mined by a known IP; honeypot. Then whom ever sits in wait and watches the log waiting for that chain to get cashed out via a fiat exchange. Records are subpoenaed and it is determined who cashed out that block at what IP/PayPal/ect? I don't know if thats possible so don't trust me.

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getsat 15y ago
This is why you have a guy in Afghanistan cash it out and put the balance onto your foreign, anonymous Paypal/Liberty Reserve account. He takes a cut, but that's life. He has no idea who you are and you only access the account through compromised Windows machines in foreign countries (which you wipe when you're done).
saulrh 15y ago
IP is probably useless; these people know what they're doing, and Tor, proxies, and public wifi plus a cantenna can make you pretty anonymous. As for the bitcoins themselves, I believe that they'd be instantly anonymized by putting them through one or more bitcoin transaction before they reach real life. The FBI would have a very, very difficult time following the real-life "oh, I got them from person X" tree back to lulzsec, especially if lulzsec transactioned the bitcoins to the right person the first time around.
- MostAwesomeDude 15y ago
  Additionally, people can always create new wallet IDs and self-launder the money, assuming they aren't using the Bitcoin Laundry (http://bitcoinlaundry.com/ http://bitcoinlaundry.com/) to do it for them.
  - woodall 15y ago
    That is interesting, but the trail is still there; i.e. the block chain we are following as it never changes. It's not the transferring them from BC wallet to BC wallet that I'm worried about, but the cashing out for fiat.
    - Vitaly 15y ago
      no its not. you put your 'marked' 100$ in the laundry service and you get 100$ that came from some random dude. Assuming the laundry service doesn't keep logs (very big assumption though) the money that came through such a service can't be used to identify anyone
      - woodall 15y ago
        Logs are critical for this tracing to work, without them the trail ends. I was looking over Bitcoin Faucet and it does appear that, at least, they log all ip address. Then I made my way to http://blockexplorer.com http://blockexplorer.com and was able to trace all those block. In the end, BitCoin is only as anonymous as you make it. https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/recent_sends https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/recent_sends

by woodall 15y ago

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getsat 15y ago

This is why you have a guy in Afghanistan cash it out and put the balance onto your foreign, anonymous Paypal/Liberty Reserve account. He takes a cut, but that's life. He has no idea who you are and you only access the account through compromised Windows machines in foreign countries (which you wipe when you're done).

saulrh 15y ago

IP is probably useless; these people know what they're doing, and Tor, proxies, and public wifi plus a cantenna can make you pretty anonymous. As for the bitcoins themselves, I believe that they'd be instantly anonymized by putting them through one or more bitcoin transaction before they reach real life. The FBI would have a very, very difficult time following the real-life "oh, I got them from person X" tree back to lulzsec, especially if lulzsec transactioned the bitcoins to the right person the first time around.

MostAwesomeDude 15y ago
Additionally, people can always create new wallet IDs and self-launder the money, assuming they aren't using the Bitcoin Laundry (http://bitcoinlaundry.com/ http://bitcoinlaundry.com/) to do it for them.
- woodall 15y ago
  That is interesting, but the trail is still there; i.e. the block chain we are following as it never changes. It's not the transferring them from BC wallet to BC wallet that I'm worried about, but the cashing out for fiat.
  - Vitaly 15y ago
    no its not. you put your 'marked' 100$ in the laundry service and you get 100$ that came from some random dude. Assuming the laundry service doesn't keep logs (very big assumption though) the money that came through such a service can't be used to identify anyone
    - woodall 15y ago
      Logs are critical for this tracing to work, without them the trail ends. I was looking over Bitcoin Faucet and it does appear that, at least, they log all ip address. Then I made my way to http://blockexplorer.com http://blockexplorer.com and was able to trace all those block. In the end, BitCoin is only as anonymous as you make it. https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/recent_sends https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/recent_sends