4 ms·

>In my opinion this is the result of a mentality that sees the government as the obvious solution to problems, so when you see problems existing in a place wher

by konjin 6y ago

>In my opinion this is the result of a mentality that sees the government as the obvious solution to problems, so when you see problems existing in a place where people seem to have a different philosophy of government, its clearly the fault of those morons who don’t realize that all problems can be solved by sufficient application of government force. It has nothing to do with the government and everything to do with beliefs. Your post is doing exactly that. Pointing out simple facts like that all grids have been under invested in for 50 years, that we need to spend trillions to bring them up to todays standards and that we need to diversity power sources is met with derision and downvotes.

chordalkeyboard 6y ago
> It has nothing to do with the government and everything to do with beliefs. Government is not separable from the beliefs of the people who inhabit it and participate in its processes. > Pointing out simple facts like that all grids have been under invested in for 50 years Surely you can see that this is a belief and not a “fact” > that we need to spend trillions to bring them up to todays standards and that we need to diversity power sources is met with derision and downvotes. Well if people disagree then I feel it would be better for them to discuss. But it seems like there’s this perception that there is no room for reasonable disagreement and that’s what I was pushing back on. We can agree that the grid needs more investment and still have differences of opinion on how to generate that investment.
- konjin 6y ago
  >Surely you can see that this is a belief and not a “fact” The belief is that every American should have uninterrupted access to electricity. The fact is that we are woefully under investing to keep that state of affairs. You can have your own beliefs, you can't have your own facts. For some reason people who want to spend less money on infrastructure don't mention that they wouldn't mind if 50% of people don't have access to roads, hospitals, or electricity.
  - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
    > The belief is that every American should have uninterrupted access to electricity. The fact is that we are woefully under investing to keep that state of affairs. You can have your own beliefs, you can't have your own facts. The belief that the best way to get every American to have uninterrupted access to electricity is through public investment in infrastructure is belied by your admission that hasn’t happened. Which is a fact. > For some reason people who want to spend less money on infrastructure don't mention that they wouldn't mind if 50% of people don't have access to roads, hospitals, or electricity. For some reason the people who want to spend more money on publicly funded projects insist on casting aspersions rather than introspecting on why they’re always dependent on expropriation for basic things.
    - konjin 6y ago
      >The belief that the best way to get every American to have uninterrupted access to electricity is through public investment in infrastructure is belied by your admission that hasn’t happened. Which is a fact. We have though. From 1930 to 1980 the US had a world class system that was better than any in the world.

by konjin 6y ago

chordalkeyboard 6y ago

> It has nothing to do with the government and everything to do with beliefs. Government is not separable from the beliefs of the people who inhabit it and participate in its processes. > Pointing out simple facts like that all grids have been under invested in for 50 years Surely you can see that this is a belief and not a “fact” > that we need to spend trillions to bring them up to todays standards and that we need to diversity power sources is met with derision and downvotes. Well if people disagree then I feel it would be better for them to discuss. But it seems like there’s this perception that there is no room for reasonable disagreement and that’s what I was pushing back on. We can agree that the grid needs more investment and still have differences of opinion on how to generate that investment.

konjin 6y ago
>Surely you can see that this is a belief and not a “fact” The belief is that every American should have uninterrupted access to electricity. The fact is that we are woefully under investing to keep that state of affairs. You can have your own beliefs, you can't have your own facts. For some reason people who want to spend less money on infrastructure don't mention that they wouldn't mind if 50% of people don't have access to roads, hospitals, or electricity.
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago
  > The belief is that every American should have uninterrupted access to electricity. The fact is that we are woefully under investing to keep that state of affairs. You can have your own beliefs, you can't have your own facts. The belief that the best way to get every American to have uninterrupted access to electricity is through public investment in infrastructure is belied by your admission that hasn’t happened. Which is a fact. > For some reason people who want to spend less money on infrastructure don't mention that they wouldn't mind if 50% of people don't have access to roads, hospitals, or electricity. For some reason the people who want to spend more money on publicly funded projects insist on casting aspersions rather than introspecting on why they’re always dependent on expropriation for basic things.
  - konjin 6y ago
    >The belief that the best way to get every American to have uninterrupted access to electricity is through public investment in infrastructure is belied by your admission that hasn’t happened. Which is a fact. We have though. From 1930 to 1980 the US had a world class system that was better than any in the world.