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But the RTX 3060 hasn't launched yet?

by 9935c101ab17a66 6y ago

g051051 6y ago
Sounds like they're using software to artificially limit the capabilities when it comes out.
- stale2002 6y ago
  Ok, but it is not taking away something that you bought or anything. The specifications are known up front. You can choose not to buy something if you don't like the software on it.
  - g051051 6y ago
    > Ok, but it is not taking away something that you bought or anything. Yes, it is. The hardware has capabilities, and Nvidia is artificially limiting them in certain circumstances based on what they consider "acceptable" use.
    - stale2002 6y ago
      > The hardware has capabilities, and Nvidia is artificially limiting them But that is not taking anything away form you. If you buy something, knowing what software is on that thing, you are getting what you were sold. You were told that this would be the software on this device, and you bought it anyway. Just don't buy something if you don't like what that product is. You were told what software is on that device!
      - g051051 6y ago
        They are taking away my choice to use the hardware as I see fit. And are granting themselves the ability to alter the value of my purchase after the fact. What's to stop them from deciding to update the driver in 3 months to cut the hash rate to 25%? Sony did this with the PS3 when they retroactively removed the OtherOS capability years after purchase. They were sued over this and ultimately settled.
        stale2002 6y ago
        > They are taking away my choice to use the hardware as I see fit. No, they are simply selling you a product that you are voluntarily choosing to buy. You are perfectly within your right to not purchase something that you don't want. > And are granting themselves the ability to alter the value of my purchase after the fact. False. You seem to be unaware of whats going on. All of this stuff is being told to you ahead of time. Your software is not being modified after the fact. You are simply buying a product, that comes pre-installed with certain software. If you don't like the software that is installed, up front, beforehand, then don't buy it. Nothing is being modified after the fact. > What's to stop them from deciding to update the driver Thats not what happened. No updates are out. Instead, this is about new hardware, that has not been sold to anyone yet. Nothing is being updated. > they were sued over this and ultimately settled. Well then it is a good thing that nothing is being modified after it was purchased then isn't it? This only applies to unreleased products, that you have the choice of not buying.
        g051051 6y ago
        > No, they are simply selling you a product that you are voluntarily choosing to buy. You are perfectly within your right to not purchase something that you don't want. No, they are imposing restrictions on use after it's purchased. > False. You seem to be unaware of whats going on. You seem to be deliberately misrepresenting the argument. No one is claiming that this has actually occurred yet with this product. However, this is their stated policy, that they will artificially restrict what owners of the product can do via software drivers. Since it's via drivers, they can update them to further modify the capabilities of the devices after purchase. They have already done this in the past, when they modified drivers to disable capabilities if they detected more than one display adapter present (also to try to limit use in crypto mining). > Thats not what happened. No updates are out. Instead, this is about new hardware, that has not been sold to anyone yet. Nothing is being updated. No one is claiming this is currently happening. But they have a history of trying to control what people do with their hardware after it's been released and sold. So nothing has been updated YET. > This only applies to unreleased products, that you have the choice of not buying. Yes, it's good they're announcing their intention to change the functionality of devices after they've been purchased.
gcbirzan 6y ago
He means what he can do after he buys, not that they're restricting it after he bought it.

But the RTX 3060 hasn't launched yet?

g051051 6y ago

Sounds like they're using software to artificially limit the capabilities when it comes out.

stale2002 6y ago
Ok, but it is not taking away something that you bought or anything. The specifications are known up front. You can choose not to buy something if you don't like the software on it.
- g051051 6y ago
  > Ok, but it is not taking away something that you bought or anything. Yes, it is. The hardware has capabilities, and Nvidia is artificially limiting them in certain circumstances based on what they consider "acceptable" use.
  - stale2002 6y ago
    > The hardware has capabilities, and Nvidia is artificially limiting them But that is not taking anything away form you. If you buy something, knowing what software is on that thing, you are getting what you were sold. You were told that this would be the software on this device, and you bought it anyway. Just don't buy something if you don't like what that product is. You were told what software is on that device!
    - g051051 6y ago
      They are taking away my choice to use the hardware as I see fit. And are granting themselves the ability to alter the value of my purchase after the fact. What's to stop them from deciding to update the driver in 3 months to cut the hash rate to 25%? Sony did this with the PS3 when they retroactively removed the OtherOS capability years after purchase. They were sued over this and ultimately settled.
      - stale2002 6y ago
        > They are taking away my choice to use the hardware as I see fit. No, they are simply selling you a product that you are voluntarily choosing to buy. You are perfectly within your right to not purchase something that you don't want. > And are granting themselves the ability to alter the value of my purchase after the fact. False. You seem to be unaware of whats going on. All of this stuff is being told to you ahead of time. Your software is not being modified after the fact. You are simply buying a product, that comes pre-installed with certain software. If you don't like the software that is installed, up front, beforehand, then don't buy it. Nothing is being modified after the fact. > What's to stop them from deciding to update the driver Thats not what happened. No updates are out. Instead, this is about new hardware, that has not been sold to anyone yet. Nothing is being updated. > they were sued over this and ultimately settled. Well then it is a good thing that nothing is being modified after it was purchased then isn't it? This only applies to unreleased products, that you have the choice of not buying.
        g051051 6y ago
        > No, they are simply selling you a product that you are voluntarily choosing to buy. You are perfectly within your right to not purchase something that you don't want. No, they are imposing restrictions on use after it's purchased. > False. You seem to be unaware of whats going on. You seem to be deliberately misrepresenting the argument. No one is claiming that this has actually occurred yet with this product. However, this is their stated policy, that they will artificially restrict what owners of the product can do via software drivers. Since it's via drivers, they can update them to further modify the capabilities of the devices after purchase. They have already done this in the past, when they modified drivers to disable capabilities if they detected more than one display adapter present (also to try to limit use in crypto mining). > Thats not what happened. No updates are out. Instead, this is about new hardware, that has not been sold to anyone yet. Nothing is being updated. No one is claiming this is currently happening. But they have a history of trying to control what people do with their hardware after it's been released and sold. So nothing has been updated YET. > This only applies to unreleased products, that you have the choice of not buying. Yes, it's good they're announcing their intention to change the functionality of devices after they've been purchased.

gcbirzan 6y ago

He means what he can do after he buys, not that they're restricting it after he bought it.