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> Peyote, an endangered plant, is excluded to protect traditional Native American spiritual practices. Hm, this seems like a mistake. They should create a sepa

> Peyote, an endangered plant, is excluded to protect traditional Native American spiritual practices. Hm, this seems like a mistake. They should create a separate framework to deter the use of peyote. Like a killing endangered species framework.

sep_field 6y ago
Native Americans already have a legal way to use peyote in the context of spiritual practice.
- etaioinshrdlu 6y ago
  I’m beyond offended that anyone thinks it’s okay to decide that some spiritual practices are okay for certain religious groups or ethnicities and not others. It’s racism.
  - sep_field 6y ago
    it isn't that you aren't allowed to have the spiritual practice, you are welcome to use mescaline (the active ingredient in peyote, which can be synthesized) however you want. It is also available in some other cactuses that aren't near extinct. The intent of the restriction is to keep the harvesting of the peyote plant at a level that hopefully prevents it from going extinct. If everyone was permitted to harvest peyote, it would be available to no one at all very quickly. Native Americans get the exception because the tribal groups that use the plant have a culture of respecting it and being caretakers of it.
  - vmception 6y ago
    Treaties exist outside of our cultural sensibilities. Alongside religious exceptions. Here it is possible to have both simultaneously.
cwkoss 6y ago
There are non-threatened species of cacti which also produce mescaline at slightly lower levels, but grow significantly more rapidly. Primarily the trichocereus genus.
pvarangot 6y ago
There's already a killing endangered species framework and it's not stopping people from harvesting Colorado River toads to extract 5-MeO-DMT from them, even with the molecule being illegal. The exclusion is literally doing nothing except relieving the legal system of burden because no Native American is going to stop harvesting Peyote because it's illegal.

sep_field 6y ago

Native Americans already have a legal way to use peyote in the context of spiritual practice.

etaioinshrdlu 6y ago
I’m beyond offended that anyone thinks it’s okay to decide that some spiritual practices are okay for certain religious groups or ethnicities and not others. It’s racism.
- sep_field 6y ago
  it isn't that you aren't allowed to have the spiritual practice, you are welcome to use mescaline (the active ingredient in peyote, which can be synthesized) however you want. It is also available in some other cactuses that aren't near extinct. The intent of the restriction is to keep the harvesting of the peyote plant at a level that hopefully prevents it from going extinct. If everyone was permitted to harvest peyote, it would be available to no one at all very quickly. Native Americans get the exception because the tribal groups that use the plant have a culture of respecting it and being caretakers of it.
- vmception 6y ago
  Treaties exist outside of our cultural sensibilities. Alongside religious exceptions. Here it is possible to have both simultaneously.

cwkoss 6y ago

There are non-threatened species of cacti which also produce mescaline at slightly lower levels, but grow significantly more rapidly. Primarily the trichocereus genus.

pvarangot 6y ago

There's already a killing endangered species framework and it's not stopping people from harvesting Colorado River toads to extract 5-MeO-DMT from them, even with the molecule being illegal. The exclusion is literally doing nothing except relieving the legal system of burden because no Native American is going to stop harvesting Peyote because it's illegal.