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"now" meaning when? Today? 2019? 2020? "A group of 34 of America’s biggest cities suffered a 30 percent total increase in homicides in 2020, according to a new

"now" meaning when? Today? 2019? 2020? "A group of 34 of America’s biggest cities suffered a 30 percent total increase in homicides in 2020, according to a new survey published Monday" 5.3 + (5.3 * 0.3) is not approaching 5.1.

michaelmrose 6y ago
You don't think 2020 is an aberration after a 20 years trend of decreasing violence? Do you expect that we will now have a new pandemic every year?
- rufus_foreman 6y ago
  What evidence points to the pandemic as the cause of the increased homicide rate?
  - michaelmrose 6y ago
    The nationwide homicide rate has been dropping for the last 27 years. You have switched gears from the nationwide rate which you agree is has been approaching 1950s levels for years to a cherry picked population of cities from a survey you have declined to even name let alone link herein. Given a 27 year trend line I don't feel like I have to substantiate that a 30% increase in some cities during a year that has been in every other way an aberration isn't a trend.
    - rufus_foreman 6y ago
      What evidence points to the pandemic as the cause of the increased homicide rate?
      - michaelmrose 6y ago
        You have changed the topic from the overall homicide rate to a survey you wont link or even name. I offered speculation but in truth I didn't need to respond to your strategic digression. I do not know if my theory is correct. I DO know you haven't shown one whit of proof that 2020s overall murder rate was higher. I will continue until you do to operate under the assumptions. - it represents a small increase in the 2020 homicide rate that doesn't change the national situation. The proper topic of our discussion. - Given a 27 year trend line an increase at a time when our nation is going through a time of extreme crisis logically represents an aberration not a trend. America isn't meaningfully more dangerous on average than it was in the 50s although it was in the 50s and is now more dangerous than some of our more civilized neighbors. * Edited for clarity and correctness*
      - michaelmrose 6y ago
        For the record the study you are bringing up. https://www.voanews.com/usa/us-homicides-rose-2020-study-finds https://www.voanews.com/usa/us-homicides-rose-2020-study-fin... The lead author things the pandemic is a significant factor. > One lead author of the study told the Associated Press he believed part of the problem was the pandemic forced police officers off the streets all around the country. > Even when on the job, social distancing requirements kept officers from interacting closely with the community. He said, “That really reduced the ability of law officers to engage in the kinds of proactive policing that can reduce crime.” > The study found that the pandemic “has disproportionately affected vulnerable populations, placing at-risk individuals under additional physical, mental, emotional, and financial stress.” Are we to believe your grasp of the topic is better than the researchers who conducted the study.
        rufus_foreman 6y ago
        So just getting this straight here, the VOA news article that you link to is your evidence that the pandemic is the cause of the increased homicide rate? Correct?

michaelmrose 6y ago

You don't think 2020 is an aberration after a 20 years trend of decreasing violence? Do you expect that we will now have a new pandemic every year?

rufus_foreman 6y ago
What evidence points to the pandemic as the cause of the increased homicide rate?
- michaelmrose 6y ago
  The nationwide homicide rate has been dropping for the last 27 years. You have switched gears from the nationwide rate which you agree is has been approaching 1950s levels for years to a cherry picked population of cities from a survey you have declined to even name let alone link herein. Given a 27 year trend line I don't feel like I have to substantiate that a 30% increase in some cities during a year that has been in every other way an aberration isn't a trend.
  - rufus_foreman 6y ago
    What evidence points to the pandemic as the cause of the increased homicide rate?
    - michaelmrose 6y ago
      You have changed the topic from the overall homicide rate to a survey you wont link or even name. I offered speculation but in truth I didn't need to respond to your strategic digression. I do not know if my theory is correct. I DO know you haven't shown one whit of proof that 2020s overall murder rate was higher. I will continue until you do to operate under the assumptions. - it represents a small increase in the 2020 homicide rate that doesn't change the national situation. The proper topic of our discussion. - Given a 27 year trend line an increase at a time when our nation is going through a time of extreme crisis logically represents an aberration not a trend. America isn't meaningfully more dangerous on average than it was in the 50s although it was in the 50s and is now more dangerous than some of our more civilized neighbors. * Edited for clarity and correctness*
    - michaelmrose 6y ago
      For the record the study you are bringing up. https://www.voanews.com/usa/us-homicides-rose-2020-study-finds https://www.voanews.com/usa/us-homicides-rose-2020-study-fin... The lead author things the pandemic is a significant factor. > One lead author of the study told the Associated Press he believed part of the problem was the pandemic forced police officers off the streets all around the country. > Even when on the job, social distancing requirements kept officers from interacting closely with the community. He said, “That really reduced the ability of law officers to engage in the kinds of proactive policing that can reduce crime.” > The study found that the pandemic “has disproportionately affected vulnerable populations, placing at-risk individuals under additional physical, mental, emotional, and financial stress.” Are we to believe your grasp of the topic is better than the researchers who conducted the study.
      - rufus_foreman 6y ago
        So just getting this straight here, the VOA news article that you link to is your evidence that the pandemic is the cause of the increased homicide rate? Correct?