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The article finds fault particularly with the national standards not being adequate, and specifically points out that the standards in Texas are more strict tha
by edbob 6y ago
The article finds fault particularly with the national standards not being adequate, and specifically points out that the standards in Texas are more strict than the national standards. He goes on to give some details on the enforcement of those Texan standards. In this case, following national standards as opposed to Texas's standards would have led to an even worse disaster.
Your claim that being on a separate grid caused the outage is too strong to be supported by the data in the article, which is why he doesn't make that claim. Additional data could come out either in favor of or against your claim: although the interconnect bandwidth was fully utilized (edit:
txlpo78 points out that it was not fully utilized), we need solid data on whether Mexico and the neighboring states facing similar struggles could spare significantly more capacity. If not, then having more interconnect bandwidth would not have helped much. If they had power to spare, then the interconnects were indeed a problem.
No one is attacking regulation. Virtually everyone I've seen is in agreement that better regulation is necessary in this situation.
- txlpo78 6y ago> although the interconnect bandwidth was fully utilized, we need solid data on whether the neighboring states facing similar struggles could spare significantly more capacity. If not, then having more interconnect bandwidth would not have helped much. If they had power to spare, then the interconnects were indeed a problem. As a data point: the interconnects were not fully utilized, as the Eastern DC tie had to be severed yesterday because power emergencies in the Eastern US meant that grid had no electricity to spare.
- edbob 6y agoThank you for that data. Your other comment is very helpful too[0], although I look forward to seeing some good hard data. I've been a bit spoiled by how much detailed data ERCOT provides. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26187282 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26187282
- reportingsjr 6y agoCan you provide a source for that?
- txlpo78 6y agohttp://www.ercot.com/news/releases/show/225369 http://www.ercot.com/news/releases/show/225369 > the Midwest went into a power emergency of their own, and ERCOT was no longer able to import approximately 600 MW.
- slenk 6y agoIt feels like people are blaming other networks for needing their planned-for emergency capacity and not dropping everything for TX
- snowwindwaves 6y agoPeople are attacking texas' less interconnected system for being "independent" and others are pointing out more interconnections from places with no power to spare would not have helped.
- hayst4ck 6y agoAssuming there is a planned extra capacity/planned expected failure rate/additional set of regulations and guidelines, its not mainly the literal "connectedness" of the grids, but the "independence" part that is being attacked, specifically being independent from federal oversight.
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- gwoplock 6y agoIf I'm reading http://www.ercot.com/content/cdr/html/real_time_system_conditions.html http://www.ercot.com/content/cdr/html/real_time_system_condi... right there is no power across the DC_L (Laredo VFT), DC_R (Railroad) and DC_S (Eagle Pass) HVDC ties. for posterity: DC Tie Flows DC_E (East) -595 DC_L (Laredo VFT) 0 DC_N (North) -218 DC_R (Railroad) 0 DC_S (Eagle Pass) 0
- CalChris 6y agoNo one is attacking regulation. Virtually everyone I've seen is in agreement that better regulation is necessary in this situation. Rick Perry specifically attacked regulation. https://news.yahoo.com/rick-perry-suggests-texans-prefer-191900865.html https://news.yahoo.com/rick-perry-suggests-texans-prefer-191...
- edbob 6y agoHe's not speaking against all regulation, only a specific subset of regulation, namely federal. (I apologize for being unclear: I did not mean to imply that all regulation is accepted equally, merely that nearly everyone accepts that stricter regulation at some level of government is necessary to prevent future blackouts. Many Texans would demand state-level regulation but would spurn federal). I'm not sure why he even brought it up, to be honest. It seems irrelevant to the current situation. Tougher state regulations are a foregone conclusion, and the applicable federal regulations (such as those applying to gas suppliers) are not something Texans have any influence over at this time. As a side note, Rick Perry is pretty much irrelevant to Texans AFAICT. Perhaps that's why he's making these unsolicited, strong statements.
- 8note 6y agoHe recently ran the department of energy, didn't he? As in, he was the federal regulator who failed here. There's a self interested reason to bad mouth federal regulation to avoid blame
- edbob 6y agoYou are correct that he held that position under Trump and bears responsibility for problems with federal regulations. However, his strict anti-federal stance goes back many years. He did not adopt it or even emphasize it to make excuses for this situation. He's just like that.
- fuzzfactor 6y agoPerry was governor in 2011 when it was undoubtable improvements were necessary if another freeze like that were to be mitigated to a greater degree rather than exacerbated like we have seen occur instead. Present Governor Abbot followed Perry and Abbot is just the opposite of advanced. He had plenty of time to improve the situation, whether it was regulation or ERCOT reorganization or any number of other details that ratepayers have already paid for for decades, no one else was in a stronger position to do something to make up for Perry's Bozoness. And Perry, >He's just like that. Even less advanced. What's the opposite of advanced anyway? I thought so.