It's interesting that nobody has yet to bring up all the Cisco startups (ok, ok spin-offs), i.e. Andiamo, Insieme, etc. Yes, typically they were all independent

It's interesting that nobody has yet to bring up all the Cisco startups (ok, ok spin-offs), i.e. Andiamo, Insieme, etc. Yes, typically they were all independent companies but the people there all but wore Cisco badges (they mostly used Cisco buildings, too). Very successful model to bypass issues e.g. hitting quarterly earnings goals, while innovating at startup speed.