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I've worked with Citi as a partner, as a client and as a service provider in various other banks and fintech companies, and I'm so not surprised. In fact none o
by xwolfi 6y ago
I've worked with Citi as a partner, as a client and as a service provider in various other banks and fintech companies, and I'm so not surprised. In fact none of my colleagues are.
The problem is Citi itself. It's always an absurd amount of indian subcontractors who aren't paid to care but just to look good on a cost cutting plan (so they do their job), a disorganized / panicked organization who seem to never know what's happening when and follow mega-processes rather than solve problems.
My bank has those, but we can take shortcut if we must - not Citi, can make you wait 2 months for a csv file via sftp, and then pretend to be ready when you finally discover it's a frigging indian contractor writing the csv rather than an automated process... we were like "guys seriously why are you even lying about it" when it all came crashing down with crazy errors never seen in the UAT. Turns out the automation guys were late and they made an effing human do the prod version meanwhile ...
In another company, working with Citi on a completely different sector/group/vertical, I spent nights with their tech guys in India figuring out their own system and why they couldn't work... and they had less clue than me, it's absurd.
They seem to work in very split team where americans will do the high level design and then outsource to dev + support + deployment teams, ofc isolated from each other, in India. So nobody US cares about any actual implementation detail of anything, the 3 indian teams don't know each other, and nobody feels responsible of anything. It's absurd I've had multiple separate experience of the same thing, with me and my colleagues doing the connection layer between various Citi stakeholder who had no idea about each other.
There was even a time where a Citi country team in Hong Kong begged us to introduce them to the Citi country team in Singapore, and show them their product and processes...
- ThankYouBernard 6y agooh there it is, the usual expected racist comment.
- rowland66 6y agoYour experience with Citi is very similar to mine. It is funny that as an organization Citi seems to believe that its technology is brilliant and that any software that it uses must be built by Citi. Tremendous hubris combined with total incompetence. Not a winning combination.
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- xwolfi 6y agoWell I ll be honest we all do. My own bank, another giga multinational, also has this hubris, fine. But at Citi they went so far in the outsourcing nobody knows anything anymore. The people you talk to to organize stuff are timezones away from the guys doing stuff. And me I m close to the Indian time in HK, work with our own outsourcing in India who are fine for what they re here for etc and we have pains. But never to the extent of Citi where there s like internal conflict or total lack of communication that makes the contractors lie more than usual to the managers... I dont know I dont get why each time we have to deal with Citi it's the same story. It s organisational though, not tech (their tech I ve dealt with is okay)