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> I really wish Nvidia would do this across the RTX product line. I'd rather they have scaled up the demand. They've had years of this to take the higher profi
by Tenoke 6y ago
> I really wish Nvidia would do this across the RTX product line.
I'd rather they have scaled up the demand. They've had years of this to take the higher profits and invest them. Even if people don't use them for mining, the demand for Machine Learning is there - instead GeForce cards have been banned for use in data centers for years. Not to mention that the crippling of 3060 would be trivial for mining operations to get around.
- ralmidani 6y agoI understand Nvidia is no angel. And I'm totally OK with them doing the right thing for the wrong reason. Also, my concern is not for data centers running creepy ML models that invade users' privacy, but for the average home user who wants to get started with ML and at the same time get decent frame rates when they play a game.
- Tenoke 6y ago>I understand Nvidia is no angel. And I'm totally OK with them doing the right thing for the wrong reason. My argument is they should and could have scaled up the production rather than just shuffling around which group they hurt or help at the expense of which other (be it miners, ML folks or gamers). This isn't the 'right thing', it just helps the group you prefer on this round.
- tomatotomato37 6y agoYou do understand Nvidia is a fabless company, correct? Scaling up demand isn't just calling up some factory manager and telling them to work harder, it's getting into a massive cagefight with AMD, Apple, and every other company out there that needs silicon all for the amusement of Samsung/TSMC
- belltaco 6y agohttps://www.networkworld.com/article/3602456/youre-not-imagining-things-there-is-a-serious-chip-shortage.html https://www.networkworld.com/article/3602456/youre-not-imagi...
- PixelOfDeath 6y agoAsk AMD why scaling up to mining demand is a bad idea. A sudden implosion of demand combined with a flooding of the used GPU marked. Better not plan on bringing out any new GPU architectures when your warehouses are still full of the previous generation.
- Tenoke 6y agoExcept with NVIDIA there's already extra demand if they need it - they can allow GeForce into data centers which are currently artificially disallowed.
- PragmaticPulp 6y ago> but for the average home user who wants to get started with ML and at the same time get decent frame rates when they play a game. Getting started with ML doesn't require a GPU at all. Realistically, any video card or even a modern CPU is more than sufficient to get started with ML learning. It's a myth that $1000 gaming video cards are necessary or even helpful for learning basic ML.
- throwaway1777 6y agoYou do realize there is a global chip shortage right now? It’s not as easy as clicking a button in ec2 to suddenly make more gpus.
- Tenoke 6y agoThis has been going on for half a decade. Yes, it's not as easy as ec2 but it's not a problem that money can't help with solving faster.
- reducesuffering 6y agoTSM is slammed with chip demand from Apple, Nvidia, AMD, Qualcomm, and others. Like, 100% booked for the next year or two. They have been heavily investing in state of the art manufacturing facilities for decades and it's still not enough.
- reader_mode 6y agoNvidia is using Samsung for 3xxx series cards
- Der_Einzige 6y agoSounds like a good opportunity for the US to significantly expand its domestic chap manufacturing industry. I don't care if the lag time is 5 years or more before the first chip rolls off the production lines - because I don't anticipate demand for chips will significantly reduce in the future.
- anonisko 6y agoRelated, https://www.epsilontheory.com/taiwan-is-now-arrakis/ https://www.epsilontheory.com/taiwan-is-now-arrakis/ Development of domestic chip manufacturing might even start to become a national security concern, leading to even more money flowing in on top of the money coming from crypto miners.