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I'll admit that is an insane amount that I wasn't expecting, but something about those numbers just feels off. Like 10 drinks a day? Many people don't even dri

I'll admit that is an insane amount that I wasn't expecting, but something about those numbers just feels off. Like 10 drinks a day? Many people don't even drink that much water Maybe we're getting a very different view of the US from the UK, but despite all of America's flaws and how weak the beer is, it seems so unexpected to me that 1/10 of people are opening a new drink every 90 minutes and somehow managing to hold down a job to be able to afford such a habit.

flatiron 6y ago
if someone drinks from 5pm-10pm one can of beer every 30 minutes thats 10 drinks. they could easily wake up at 7am, hold down a job and rinse and repeat. a 30 rack of miller light (my beer of choice) is $22 which is 73 cents a beer so thats ~$7.50 a day on beer. obviously there are cheaper routes (buying $10 handles of vodka for instance). so at least in america, price really isn't a factor here. and holding down a job most likely isn't a factor since they are stone cold sober from when they wake until 5pm. i assume a lot of people silently live like this sadly
- ChrisRR 6y ago
  Even if you ignore the price and how fast drinking once every half hour for 5 hours straight seems, that's 13.86 units of alcohol every day. So 10% of the population are in a state of being permanently hungover? It just seems odd that in the UK, binge drinking is considered to be an issue, and yet a significant percentage of the US population is drinking the equivalent of a night out on a daily basis.
  - jboog 6y ago
    When you're a high-functioning alcohol like we're talking you get to the point you can down a 12 pack of beer in a night and feel relatively fine the next morning. Maybe a slight headache or mild hangover but nothing like the bender hangovers non-alcoholics have where they are bedridden most of the day. I've since cut back a lot but in my worst post-college days I could drink the equivalent of 8-10 drinks in a night and feel perfectly fine the next morning as long as I got a decent amount of sleep.
    - lisper 6y ago
      I was a teetotaler until my late 20s when I decided to try to develop a taste for wine for social reasons. Fast-forward 30 years and today my wife and I have a cocktail and a glass of wine most nights. That sounds like two drinks, but one day I started measuring how much alcohol I was actually putting in to the cocktails and they turned out to be triples. So technically we're having 4 drinks a day. We get a slight buzz, but never feel impaired, never drink before dinner time, and never have hangovers. When we travel we will often go a few days without drinking at all and it's no problem. A few years ago I bought a blood-alcohol meter and have never registered above the legal limit, even immediately when I feel buzzed. The highest I've ever registered is 0.04. And over the years I've used three difference BAC meters with consistent results. I think the conclusion to draw here is not that having 4-5 drinks a day is no big deal, but that different people react to alcohol and other drugs differently. For some people, like me, it turns out to be no big deal. For others I'm pretty sure it would be a very big deal. A one-size-fits-all drug policy is never going to work.
      - biolurker1 6y ago
        It's very well established that over two drink increase multiple cancer rates, just keep that in mind.
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  - n4r9 6y ago
    It's been estimated that during the "Gin Craze" of the early 18th Century, the average Londoner was drinking a pint of (strong) gin every three days. the-east-end.co.uk/the-gin-craze
  - mod 6y ago
    I own a bar so I figured I'd chime in with some personal observations of my customers: The bulk of my customers drink 5-7 nights per week. We call them "regulars." They come every night when their shift ends, and most of them stay until close (although they are primarily service industry, so this is 5-7 hours per day). If they have a day off, they often show up earlier. For these people, I think that one drink every half hour is an understatement. They're having a beer/cocktail every half hour or so, and mixing in shots, jello shots, etc. If they have limited time, they will up their rate of consumption. They're after a specific result. I have no idea what percentage of the population they represent. We have a lot of other customers who we see maybe once a week, every other week. Some folks come in to eat our food special and just have a couple beers and go. Stuff like that. I think that you are probably in the latter group (or the non-drinking group) and so you don't see the former group. I very much agree that the heavy drinkers are not living normal lives; they ARE in fact permanently hungover (or should be--they learn to deal with it in various ways). It's a continuing problem with my own staff, actually. Anyway, they're out there, they're holding jobs and making children, and they undeniably have a problem with alcohol. But again, I have no idea what percentage of the population they make up. Maybe I'm seeing the worst of the problems--but I don't actually believe that.
  - jessebro 6y ago
    You aren't hungover if you never stop drinking - which is the point. It's really, really prevalent in some industries. I've hired concrete finishers before (multiple times), and I've never NOT had a bunch of empty cans crushed up and hidden somewhere random on the worksite afterwords, even if it's only for a couple hours. When I worked with some writers years ago, they kept bottles of cheap scotch and 2 buck chuck in their desks, and had to replenish them regularly. The go to drug selection in tech skews our perception a bit (weed being incredibly pervasive, but lsd,shrooms,stimulatns far from absent).
    - emteycz 6y ago
      Don't forget about the amphetamines and cocaine... I actually think more than half of people in tech take something regularly
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- bluedino 6y ago
  >> if someone drinks from 5pm-10pm one can of beer every 30 minutes thats 10 drinks. The bars are open until at least 2, you know.
n4r9 6y ago
I'm also in the UK but I wouldn't be at all surprised if a lot of people's liquid intake is more from alcoholic drinks than non-alcoholic ones. I'm thinking of the office worker who might have a glass of orange juice, 2-3 cups of tea/coffee, then 2 pints after work most days.
wyldfire 6y ago
I don't have any evidence one way or the other but the tale of the functioning alcohol addict is one that shows up frequently in popular culture: dramatic films and novels. The narrative is only advanced by a conflict that results in some kind of climax resulting in redemption or doom. But in real life people probably just plod on.
kemayo 6y ago
On the subject of affording it, you don't have to spend that much to drink 10 drink-equivalents a day. Buying low-end beer like PBR / Bud Light / Rolling Rock can be around $0.40-$0.60 per can, at which point your 10 drinks of the day is costing you around what a Starbucks latte does. Cheap hard liquor is even more cost-effective. You can get a big bottle of awful vodka for around $0.25 a "drink". That is to say, you don't have to be able to hold down a particularly good job to afford this. I assume that as you drink more your tolerance would increase? As an occasional light drinker, I'm pretty sure I'd be physically incapable of getting through that much alcohol in a day with enough time left to also attend a job.
Nbox9 6y ago
It’s definitely possible while holding down a job, especially if you consider its 75 drinks a week, which allows for heavier drinking on the weekend then during the middle of the week.
DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
> Maybe we're getting a very different view of the US from the UK, but despite all of America's flaws and how weak the beer is [laughs in Belgian Trappiste at the English ales] Is beer in the US still as bad as it was 10 years ago? I understood it now has a huge craft-/micro brewery scene with some very drinkable APA/IPA's? Or is this just a tiny fraction of the market still?
- ChrisRR 6y ago
  The perception from the UK is despite what seems like a growing trend in microbreweries, Americans still don't venture out much further than IPAs Edit: And as a lover of belgian beers I can only agree. I wonder why people even drink so many IPAs when there's so many different and delicious varieties of beers around.
  - anonAndOn 6y ago
    Because the easiest way to sell a crappy beer in the US is to dump a bunch of hops in it and call it an IPA? I jest there are 47 varieties of Pale Ale and 3 of something else at the supermarket these days, but it's not far from the truth.
- pdovy 6y ago
  Good quality domestic craft beer and imports are typically very easy to find in most populated areas in the US in my experience. Granted I'm in a big city (Chicago) but the "big box" liquor store here has a whole aisle of Belgian imports, for example. That said, a quick googling shows that 2/3 of the American beer market is still dominated by non-craft domestics (AKA your cheap, watery lagers like Bud/Miller). Even amongst the craft segment it's definitely the case as another commenter pointed out that IPAs are overrepresented for whatever reason. I think where we're still really lagging behind is quality of beers at your average bar. If you know where to go you can find great selection but the average bar probably still has just a handful of decent non-domestic-lager offerings, likely in cans/bottles. In comparison to when I lived in the UK and it seemed like any corner pub would have a couple great draft ales .. it's not the same.
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ta11a 6y ago
I can't verify the 10%, but I can say 10 drinks a day is well below what I was doing in the height of my madness. That's one pint of vodka. And when I landed in a rehab center, 10+ drinks a day was more common than not when listening to the stories. A fair amount of the 10+ drinks isn't to "feel good" or "get drunk" once you're hooked. It's to stop the shaking and be able to minimally function.
40four 6y ago
"... how weak the beer is" Funny, I've never heard someone take a jab at the strength of American beer. I'm curious what is the ABV of a normal beer you're used to in the UK? The 'commercial grade' American domestics tend to be about 5% maybe 4.5%. In the last decade though, 'craft'/ micro breweries have exploded so it's very easy to find stronger at any bar. In almost any convenience/ grocery store, there are plenty of 7%-9% IPAs and the like. I'll admit I like strong beer :) A lot of bars around my area will have some exotic options of 10% or more. I had one recently that was 13%! That's as much as a glass of wine. That being said, the large majority of folks are drinking beer that's 4-5%. As far as alcohol addicts go, I learned from a friend who had to take some court ordered 'rehab' classes, that (at least in the USA) something like 90% of all alcohol is consumed by only 10% of the drinking population. That means the dirty little secret they don't want you to know is basically the entire alcohol industry is propped up by addicts. Edit: I just clicked the WaPo story you guys were talking about, and that lines up with what I heard previously. Most people drink very moderately, but the top 10% are the cash cows for the industry.
- arpinum 6y ago
  Its more a comment on how popular your light beers are, and they seem to be in the low 4% range. We also say your cars can't go around turns, don't take it too literally.
  - 40four 6y ago
    You’re right I took it too literally :) All that light beer crap is like water!
moron4hire 6y ago
I don't know. A lot of my "working-class" childhood acquaintances and extended family goes through at least 2 six-packs of Miller Light in a night. Now, in the case of my particular family members, I wouldn't exactly say they don't have a problem. Most of them live on the edge of poverty, which would be much less of a problem if they didn't drink and smoke at least a pack of cigarettes a day. But most of these folks who drink massive amounts of the sort of beers-I-wouldn't-touch-with-a-ten-foot-pole are mostly functional in society. By that, I mean, they don't have a monopoly on family and money problems. Shockingly few people have their shit together in the way that we talk about when we talk about the dangers of addiction. Like I said, I don't know. It's not very clear/cut-and-dried to me.
frakkingcylons 6y ago
To your second point, high functioning alcoholics are real. The bad effects take longer to manifest, but long term alcohol abuse makes up half of the 95,000 annual alcohol related deaths in the US. Source: https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/features/excessive-alcohol-deaths.html https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/features/excessive-alcohol-death...
RandallBrown 6y ago
Is the beer weaker in the US than the UK? Most of the UK beer I've heard of is at a similar level or lower to US macro brews.

flatiron 6y ago

if someone drinks from 5pm-10pm one can of beer every 30 minutes thats 10 drinks. they could easily wake up at 7am, hold down a job and rinse and repeat. a 30 rack of miller light (my beer of choice) is $22 which is 73 cents a beer so thats ~$7.50 a day on beer. obviously there are cheaper routes (buying $10 handles of vodka for instance). so at least in america, price really isn't a factor here. and holding down a job most likely isn't a factor since they are stone cold sober from when they wake until 5pm. i assume a lot of people silently live like this sadly

ChrisRR 6y ago
Even if you ignore the price and how fast drinking once every half hour for 5 hours straight seems, that's 13.86 units of alcohol every day. So 10% of the population are in a state of being permanently hungover? It just seems odd that in the UK, binge drinking is considered to be an issue, and yet a significant percentage of the US population is drinking the equivalent of a night out on a daily basis.
- jboog 6y ago
  When you're a high-functioning alcohol like we're talking you get to the point you can down a 12 pack of beer in a night and feel relatively fine the next morning. Maybe a slight headache or mild hangover but nothing like the bender hangovers non-alcoholics have where they are bedridden most of the day. I've since cut back a lot but in my worst post-college days I could drink the equivalent of 8-10 drinks in a night and feel perfectly fine the next morning as long as I got a decent amount of sleep.
  - lisper 6y ago
    I was a teetotaler until my late 20s when I decided to try to develop a taste for wine for social reasons. Fast-forward 30 years and today my wife and I have a cocktail and a glass of wine most nights. That sounds like two drinks, but one day I started measuring how much alcohol I was actually putting in to the cocktails and they turned out to be triples. So technically we're having 4 drinks a day. We get a slight buzz, but never feel impaired, never drink before dinner time, and never have hangovers. When we travel we will often go a few days without drinking at all and it's no problem. A few years ago I bought a blood-alcohol meter and have never registered above the legal limit, even immediately when I feel buzzed. The highest I've ever registered is 0.04. And over the years I've used three difference BAC meters with consistent results. I think the conclusion to draw here is not that having 4-5 drinks a day is no big deal, but that different people react to alcohol and other drugs differently. For some people, like me, it turns out to be no big deal. For others I'm pretty sure it would be a very big deal. A one-size-fits-all drug policy is never going to work.
    - biolurker1 6y ago
      It's very well established that over two drink increase multiple cancer rates, just keep that in mind.
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- n4r9 6y ago
  It's been estimated that during the "Gin Craze" of the early 18th Century, the average Londoner was drinking a pint of (strong) gin every three days. the-east-end.co.uk/the-gin-craze
- mod 6y ago
  I own a bar so I figured I'd chime in with some personal observations of my customers: The bulk of my customers drink 5-7 nights per week. We call them "regulars." They come every night when their shift ends, and most of them stay until close (although they are primarily service industry, so this is 5-7 hours per day). If they have a day off, they often show up earlier. For these people, I think that one drink every half hour is an understatement. They're having a beer/cocktail every half hour or so, and mixing in shots, jello shots, etc. If they have limited time, they will up their rate of consumption. They're after a specific result. I have no idea what percentage of the population they represent. We have a lot of other customers who we see maybe once a week, every other week. Some folks come in to eat our food special and just have a couple beers and go. Stuff like that. I think that you are probably in the latter group (or the non-drinking group) and so you don't see the former group. I very much agree that the heavy drinkers are not living normal lives; they ARE in fact permanently hungover (or should be--they learn to deal with it in various ways). It's a continuing problem with my own staff, actually. Anyway, they're out there, they're holding jobs and making children, and they undeniably have a problem with alcohol. But again, I have no idea what percentage of the population they make up. Maybe I'm seeing the worst of the problems--but I don't actually believe that.
- jessebro 6y ago
  You aren't hungover if you never stop drinking - which is the point. It's really, really prevalent in some industries. I've hired concrete finishers before (multiple times), and I've never NOT had a bunch of empty cans crushed up and hidden somewhere random on the worksite afterwords, even if it's only for a couple hours. When I worked with some writers years ago, they kept bottles of cheap scotch and 2 buck chuck in their desks, and had to replenish them regularly. The go to drug selection in tech skews our perception a bit (weed being incredibly pervasive, but lsd,shrooms,stimulatns far from absent).
  - emteycz 6y ago
    Don't forget about the amphetamines and cocaine... I actually think more than half of people in tech take something regularly
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bluedino 6y ago
>> if someone drinks from 5pm-10pm one can of beer every 30 minutes thats 10 drinks. The bars are open until at least 2, you know.

n4r9 6y ago

I'm also in the UK but I wouldn't be at all surprised if a lot of people's liquid intake is more from alcoholic drinks than non-alcoholic ones. I'm thinking of the office worker who might have a glass of orange juice, 2-3 cups of tea/coffee, then 2 pints after work most days.

wyldfire 6y ago

I don't have any evidence one way or the other but the tale of the functioning alcohol addict is one that shows up frequently in popular culture: dramatic films and novels. The narrative is only advanced by a conflict that results in some kind of climax resulting in redemption or doom. But in real life people probably just plod on.

kemayo 6y ago

On the subject of affording it, you don't have to spend that much to drink 10 drink-equivalents a day. Buying low-end beer like PBR / Bud Light / Rolling Rock can be around $0.40-$0.60 per can, at which point your 10 drinks of the day is costing you around what a Starbucks latte does. Cheap hard liquor is even more cost-effective. You can get a big bottle of awful vodka for around $0.25 a "drink". That is to say, you don't have to be able to hold down a particularly good job to afford this. I assume that as you drink more your tolerance would increase? As an occasional light drinker, I'm pretty sure I'd be physically incapable of getting through that much alcohol in a day with enough time left to also attend a job.

Nbox9 6y ago

It’s definitely possible while holding down a job, especially if you consider its 75 drinks a week, which allows for heavier drinking on the weekend then during the middle of the week.

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago

> Maybe we're getting a very different view of the US from the UK, but despite all of America's flaws and how weak the beer is [laughs in Belgian Trappiste at the English ales] Is beer in the US still as bad as it was 10 years ago? I understood it now has a huge craft-/micro brewery scene with some very drinkable APA/IPA's? Or is this just a tiny fraction of the market still?

ChrisRR 6y ago
The perception from the UK is despite what seems like a growing trend in microbreweries, Americans still don't venture out much further than IPAs Edit: And as a lover of belgian beers I can only agree. I wonder why people even drink so many IPAs when there's so many different and delicious varieties of beers around.
- anonAndOn 6y ago
  Because the easiest way to sell a crappy beer in the US is to dump a bunch of hops in it and call it an IPA? I jest there are 47 varieties of Pale Ale and 3 of something else at the supermarket these days, but it's not far from the truth.
pdovy 6y ago
Good quality domestic craft beer and imports are typically very easy to find in most populated areas in the US in my experience. Granted I'm in a big city (Chicago) but the "big box" liquor store here has a whole aisle of Belgian imports, for example. That said, a quick googling shows that 2/3 of the American beer market is still dominated by non-craft domestics (AKA your cheap, watery lagers like Bud/Miller). Even amongst the craft segment it's definitely the case as another commenter pointed out that IPAs are overrepresented for whatever reason. I think where we're still really lagging behind is quality of beers at your average bar. If you know where to go you can find great selection but the average bar probably still has just a handful of decent non-domestic-lager offerings, likely in cans/bottles. In comparison to when I lived in the UK and it seemed like any corner pub would have a couple great draft ales .. it's not the same.

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ta11a 6y ago

I can't verify the 10%, but I can say 10 drinks a day is well below what I was doing in the height of my madness. That's one pint of vodka. And when I landed in a rehab center, 10+ drinks a day was more common than not when listening to the stories. A fair amount of the 10+ drinks isn't to "feel good" or "get drunk" once you're hooked. It's to stop the shaking and be able to minimally function.

40four 6y ago

"... how weak the beer is" Funny, I've never heard someone take a jab at the strength of American beer. I'm curious what is the ABV of a normal beer you're used to in the UK? The 'commercial grade' American domestics tend to be about 5% maybe 4.5%. In the last decade though, 'craft'/ micro breweries have exploded so it's very easy to find stronger at any bar. In almost any convenience/ grocery store, there are plenty of 7%-9% IPAs and the like. I'll admit I like strong beer :) A lot of bars around my area will have some exotic options of 10% or more. I had one recently that was 13%! That's as much as a glass of wine. That being said, the large majority of folks are drinking beer that's 4-5%. As far as alcohol addicts go, I learned from a friend who had to take some court ordered 'rehab' classes, that (at least in the USA) something like 90% of all alcohol is consumed by only 10% of the drinking population. That means the dirty little secret they don't want you to know is basically the entire alcohol industry is propped up by addicts. Edit: I just clicked the WaPo story you guys were talking about, and that lines up with what I heard previously. Most people drink very moderately, but the top 10% are the cash cows for the industry.

arpinum 6y ago
Its more a comment on how popular your light beers are, and they seem to be in the low 4% range. We also say your cars can't go around turns, don't take it too literally.
- 40four 6y ago
  You’re right I took it too literally :) All that light beer crap is like water!

moron4hire 6y ago

I don't know. A lot of my "working-class" childhood acquaintances and extended family goes through at least 2 six-packs of Miller Light in a night. Now, in the case of my particular family members, I wouldn't exactly say they don't have a problem. Most of them live on the edge of poverty, which would be much less of a problem if they didn't drink and smoke at least a pack of cigarettes a day. But most of these folks who drink massive amounts of the sort of beers-I-wouldn't-touch-with-a-ten-foot-pole are mostly functional in society. By that, I mean, they don't have a monopoly on family and money problems. Shockingly few people have their shit together in the way that we talk about when we talk about the dangers of addiction. Like I said, I don't know. It's not very clear/cut-and-dried to me.

frakkingcylons 6y ago

To your second point, high functioning alcoholics are real. The bad effects take longer to manifest, but long term alcohol abuse makes up half of the 95,000 annual alcohol related deaths in the US. Source: https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/features/excessive-alcohol-deaths.html https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/features/excessive-alcohol-death...

RandallBrown 6y ago

Is the beer weaker in the US than the UK? Most of the UK beer I've heard of is at a similar level or lower to US macro brews.