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The quote is as follows: Yes, pedophile are other things than pedophiles. If they happen to be good at those things, which dont happen to be pedophilia - there

The quote is as follows: Yes, pedophile are other things than pedophiles. If they happen to be good at those things, which dont happen to be pedophilia - there is no reason why we should deny them recognition for taking humanity two steps forward, one step back. At least from my understanding, society takes a hard line on pedophilia so this is universal agreement on its immorality.

Chris2048 6y ago
You haven't added anything not in my post, or addressed any detail. Its not obvious what a "hard line" on sexual abuse is, or how you think society behaves on the matter; it doesn't obviously include denying recognition of works.
vagrantJin 6y ago
My take was more on what justice means and whether we can question human inconsistency. Like whether a persons genius has something to do with the bad deeds or the worst part of themselves has something to do with their genius. There is an excellent essay by Heinrich Oppenhiemer called The Rationale of Punishment [0] It's quite the thought provoking read despite being over a century old. People then struggled with the question of justice - what is fair - just as we do today. The idea of fairness, to mete out punishment and dole out reward with equal measure, should be the foundation of justice. Yes, we should lock the molester in a dark cell for life for his crime, but justice demands that if he has done good works - those be recognised with the exactude of their contribution, not with spite. Some old Chinese texts on Mohism should also be an entertaining read - with good leaders both in government and military said to have mastered fairness in reward and punishment [1] So I'm hoping at the least you can see nothing is so black and white when it comes to the justice of reward and punishment. The idea of being just is seen as virtuous throughout the ages across all cultures from the Zulu to the Muari to the Aztecs to the Sycithians to ancient Egyptians to Han China - because it hard. [0](https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/intejethi.25.1.2989568 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/intejethi....) [1](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mohism https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mohism)

Chris2048 6y ago

You haven't added anything not in my post, or addressed any detail. Its not obvious what a "hard line" on sexual abuse is, or how you think society behaves on the matter; it doesn't obviously include denying recognition of works.

vagrantJin 6y ago

My take was more on what justice means and whether we can question human inconsistency. Like whether a persons genius has something to do with the bad deeds or the worst part of themselves has something to do with their genius. There is an excellent essay by Heinrich Oppenhiemer called The Rationale of Punishment [0] It's quite the thought provoking read despite being over a century old. People then struggled with the question of justice - what is fair - just as we do today. The idea of fairness, to mete out punishment and dole out reward with equal measure, should be the foundation of justice. Yes, we should lock the molester in a dark cell for life for his crime, but justice demands that if he has done good works - those be recognised with the exactude of their contribution, not with spite. Some old Chinese texts on Mohism should also be an entertaining read - with good leaders both in government and military said to have mastered fairness in reward and punishment [1] So I'm hoping at the least you can see nothing is so black and white when it comes to the justice of reward and punishment. The idea of being just is seen as virtuous throughout the ages across all cultures from the Zulu to the Muari to the Aztecs to the Sycithians to ancient Egyptians to Han China - because it hard. [0](https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/intejethi.25.1.2989568 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/intejethi....) [1](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mohism https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mohism)