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> I was astonished by how much NYT was blaming Trump for everything The guy was calling the whole thing a hoax, I don't know what credit he should get for anyt

by wycy 6y ago

> I was astonished by how much NYT was blaming Trump for everything The guy was calling the whole thing a hoax, I don't know what credit he should get for anything.

hn8788 6y ago
That was already debunked, but thanks for being an example of people believing whatever narrative the media pushes.
- wycy 6y ago
  I've seen, with my own eyes, plenty of his tweets and videos of him saying it was a hoax, so debunk it for me.
  - yostrovs 6y ago
    You think you've seen videos and tweets. But you really haven't. There was one incident that came close: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-re...
    - wycy 6y ago
      The Snopes article was published 2 weeks before the impacts of coronavirus even started to be felt in this country, back when he was privately telling the truth about it to Woodward. Trump's base overwhelmingly believes it's a hoax. So is "left" wing media lying to me that he says it's a hoax, or is right wing media lying to all his supporters that it's a hoax?
      - yostrovs 6y ago
        He seemed to have believed it wasn't a hoax when closing the border with China. He was being impeached at the time. He was criticized for being too drastic in this decision, even xenophobic. I'd like to know when he actually called the virus a hoax.
        wycy 6y ago
        Your argument essentially boils down to "he only called it a hoax once--and c'mon doesn't he really deserve a huge benefit of the doubt as to which part he was calling a hoax?--and all the other times he downplayed it or called it no big deal he avoided using the word 'hoax'". If, as you contend, he hasn't been pushing that idea all along--in one set of words or another--why does his base believe it's a hoax?
        MockObject 6y ago
        If someone is alleged to have claimed that ghosts don't exist, but we see them hanging protective charms over the doors and sprinkling salt on the floor, the objective observer will seriously doubt the allegation.

by wycy 6y ago

> I was astonished by how much NYT was blaming Trump for everything The guy was calling the whole thing a hoax, I don't know what credit he should get for anything.

hn8788 6y ago

That was already debunked, but thanks for being an example of people believing whatever narrative the media pushes.

wycy 6y ago
I've seen, with my own eyes, plenty of his tweets and videos of him saying it was a hoax, so debunk it for me.
- yostrovs 6y ago
  You think you've seen videos and tweets. But you really haven't. There was one incident that came close: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-re...
  - wycy 6y ago
    The Snopes article was published 2 weeks before the impacts of coronavirus even started to be felt in this country, back when he was privately telling the truth about it to Woodward. Trump's base overwhelmingly believes it's a hoax. So is "left" wing media lying to me that he says it's a hoax, or is right wing media lying to all his supporters that it's a hoax?
    - yostrovs 6y ago
      He seemed to have believed it wasn't a hoax when closing the border with China. He was being impeached at the time. He was criticized for being too drastic in this decision, even xenophobic. I'd like to know when he actually called the virus a hoax.
      - wycy 6y ago
        Your argument essentially boils down to "he only called it a hoax once--and c'mon doesn't he really deserve a huge benefit of the doubt as to which part he was calling a hoax?--and all the other times he downplayed it or called it no big deal he avoided using the word 'hoax'". If, as you contend, he hasn't been pushing that idea all along--in one set of words or another--why does his base believe it's a hoax?
        MockObject 6y ago
        If someone is alleged to have claimed that ghosts don't exist, but we see them hanging protective charms over the doors and sprinkling salt on the floor, the objective observer will seriously doubt the allegation.