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Whilst I'm sure there are many functional `users` of heroin, there are many more who think they are functional and yet they are not and just don't see it themse

by Zenst 6y ago

Whilst I'm sure there are many functional `users` of heroin, there are many more who think they are functional and yet they are not and just don't see it themselves. I've lived near many heroin `users` and I will say that the biggest issue is that if they can lie about their habits to themselves, then others are a given. Equally, whilst they may not see their usage of as a problem, they neglect to see the impact upon others - be that antisocial noise, keeping odd hours so again, noise or shady dealer meetings in the streets that scare the parents across the road to not allow their kids to play out in the park near there. That's just the good part of the spectrum. Then you have those who buy on-line and feel like their not supporting criminal activities, well until heroin comes with a fair trade logo, or you know the farmer, producer and workers personally - it's easy to say you don't have a problem and yet create problems for others when you look at the bigger picture. As for knowing any functional, well I've seen many have functional phases would be the best I could attest to that from experience and out of about 30 heroin addicts I've endured in the past 2 decades, I'd say only 2 would be close to being classed as functional. Really gets down to if somebody who is using drugs can just stop and take a break every now and then, then in that clean period - still hold the same mentalities towards their usage and if they can come to the same conclusion - bravo as that is what I would call somebody with their head working well for them. What really is the issue for many drug users is the point in which the drugs use them - that's the turning point of addiction I'd say. Yet all that said, you can't help but accept that the brain is driven by chemical stimulus and there lays the hard barrier of having the will power to quite. I've personally never done heroin, no desire too as like a fine wine, I might like it and it is easier to miss what you never had and one step I've become very mindful never to take having learned from others, many who's lifestyle choices I had thrust upon me and I will say, not best neibours to have from my numerous experiences.

peteretep 6y ago
Hot take: anyone writing articles about how they’re sensibly using heroin is an addict in denial
- leetcrew 6y ago
  not really a hot take, this is more or less the mainstream opinion. it's also unfalsifiable. you can take anyone who chimes in to say they use heroin responsibly as more evidence for your claim. personally I lean more in the direction that heroin and friends are significantly more addictive than most other drugs. but I have to say, if there were a sizable group of recreational users, they would probably know better than to ever say anything about it in public.
  - Zenst 6y ago
    > personally I lean more in the direction that heroin and friends are significantly more addictive than most other drugs. but I have to say, if there were a sizeable group of recreational users, they would probably know better than to ever say anything about it in public. Without a doubt, how else do they get introduced/exposed to such temptations otherwise. Pattern that usually follows is, cocaine, then onto doing crack as suddenly in their mind it's cheaper better high or other mental juggling to avoid having a break and carry on chasing that next level of high, building tolerance all the time. Then the comedowns, well whilst the highs may not seem as good and cost more to reach that level the downsides are less easier to adjust tolerance wise. So you find that chasing a line of heroin solves all that nasty crack come down and once in a while, you won't get hooked, after all you are able to do all that crack and your mentally strong and other decisions made whilst completely out of it on crack cocaine. So you make that leap, the odd bit becomes more and year on and your addicted. Coz prices and that, not long before your after that next level, so injecting for many becomes a hurdle that gets lower and more appealing and justified in crossing. You will just do it the once, case of only way to solve your needs as not enough to chase and sort the cramps. I've seen all this play out many times, heck even audio surveillance from chasing to shooting up to introducing new recruits into junkie club, via crack and then heroin. After all, opportunity to sort somebody out and charge them extra for sorting it, kickback from dealer and chance to share a hit - addiction makes people greedy and that greed plays out in doing what's best for them, if others freely bit that apple, they will certainly not stop them that hard. After all, how they themselves started doing drugs. Seen it play out just too many times and from start to coffin too many times and shocking how much goes on, ignored as society as a whole class the addicts as the victims and the dealers as the baddies in a clear cut way when I can attest that the lines are very blurred indeed.

by Zenst 6y ago

peteretep 6y ago

Hot take: anyone writing articles about how they’re sensibly using heroin is an addict in denial

leetcrew 6y ago
not really a hot take, this is more or less the mainstream opinion. it's also unfalsifiable. you can take anyone who chimes in to say they use heroin responsibly as more evidence for your claim. personally I lean more in the direction that heroin and friends are significantly more addictive than most other drugs. but I have to say, if there were a sizable group of recreational users, they would probably know better than to ever say anything about it in public.
- Zenst 6y ago
  > personally I lean more in the direction that heroin and friends are significantly more addictive than most other drugs. but I have to say, if there were a sizeable group of recreational users, they would probably know better than to ever say anything about it in public. Without a doubt, how else do they get introduced/exposed to such temptations otherwise. Pattern that usually follows is, cocaine, then onto doing crack as suddenly in their mind it's cheaper better high or other mental juggling to avoid having a break and carry on chasing that next level of high, building tolerance all the time. Then the comedowns, well whilst the highs may not seem as good and cost more to reach that level the downsides are less easier to adjust tolerance wise. So you find that chasing a line of heroin solves all that nasty crack come down and once in a while, you won't get hooked, after all you are able to do all that crack and your mentally strong and other decisions made whilst completely out of it on crack cocaine. So you make that leap, the odd bit becomes more and year on and your addicted. Coz prices and that, not long before your after that next level, so injecting for many becomes a hurdle that gets lower and more appealing and justified in crossing. You will just do it the once, case of only way to solve your needs as not enough to chase and sort the cramps. I've seen all this play out many times, heck even audio surveillance from chasing to shooting up to introducing new recruits into junkie club, via crack and then heroin. After all, opportunity to sort somebody out and charge them extra for sorting it, kickback from dealer and chance to share a hit - addiction makes people greedy and that greed plays out in doing what's best for them, if others freely bit that apple, they will certainly not stop them that hard. After all, how they themselves started doing drugs. Seen it play out just too many times and from start to coffin too many times and shocking how much goes on, ignored as society as a whole class the addicts as the victims and the dealers as the baddies in a clear cut way when I can attest that the lines are very blurred indeed.