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From my reading, alcohol drinkers are absolutely included in his definition of a "drug user" and the exact same objection would apply - how can you do anything

From my reading, alcohol drinkers are absolutely included in his definition of a "drug user" and the exact same objection would apply - how can you do anything when you're drunk on alcohol?

Mediterraneo10 6y ago
> how can you do anything when you're drunk on alcohol? The statistics for alcohol consumption in the Nordic countries in the 19th century are staggering, adult males were basically drinking hard liquor all day every day as they went about their work. Alcohol definitely has its effects on the body and is a huge safety risk, but apparently men were still able regardless to run their farms, build the buildings they needed, chop wood, etc.
- wingerlang 6y ago
  On the other hand the government had to step in and make alcohol restrictions because of the abuse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systembolaget#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systembolaget#History
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detritus 6y ago
I've actually often used booze to power beyond sense and get extra work done at the end of a day, however there is a HUGE proviso - it has to be design work, or stuff that I know inside out and could do blind-folded anyway. Anything to do with programming or logic and I became a useless head-scratching moron, going around in ever tighter circles of stupidity. Design work though? There was many a time I awoke the next morning and had a dread-chill panic thinking I'd need to get some project done, only to find I'd not only done it the night before, but I'd actually not hate it. Which, as a designer at the time, was high praise. Sure, there might be some rough edges or stupid typos, but the overall work would be Great, by my standards at least, so after a quick review, would be ready to go. I used to refer to it as 'free work'. I guess letting go is more of a useful trait in design. I'd not recommend it for doing work in critically-important fields, obviously! - ed last line
- Uberphallus 6y ago
  Same. I tried coding tipsy, especially after colleague farewell meals, and I never did anything good. At most I gave funny code reviews to people. For most of my life I also cooked sober. But when I started cooking tipsy, I began preparing meals I could have never believed I made myself. My current lasagna recipe is an absolute bomb and it's been perfected over a dozen drunken cooking sessions. Even Italians asked me for the recipe.
  - detritus 6y ago
    Oh! Don't get me started on tipsy cooking. Main problem there is replicability. My partner often gets annoyed at me when she asks if I can cook some nice thing I'd recently made, only for me to umm and aaah because I didn't write down the exact ingredients... .

From my reading, alcohol drinkers are absolutely included in his definition of a "drug user" and the exact same objection would apply - how can you do anything when you're drunk on alcohol?

Mediterraneo10 6y ago

> how can you do anything when you're drunk on alcohol? The statistics for alcohol consumption in the Nordic countries in the 19th century are staggering, adult males were basically drinking hard liquor all day every day as they went about their work. Alcohol definitely has its effects on the body and is a huge safety risk, but apparently men were still able regardless to run their farms, build the buildings they needed, chop wood, etc.

wingerlang 6y ago
On the other hand the government had to step in and make alcohol restrictions because of the abuse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systembolaget#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systembolaget#History

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detritus 6y ago

I've actually often used booze to power beyond sense and get extra work done at the end of a day, however there is a HUGE proviso - it has to be design work, or stuff that I know inside out and could do blind-folded anyway. Anything to do with programming or logic and I became a useless head-scratching moron, going around in ever tighter circles of stupidity. Design work though? There was many a time I awoke the next morning and had a dread-chill panic thinking I'd need to get some project done, only to find I'd not only done it the night before, but I'd actually not hate it. Which, as a designer at the time, was high praise. Sure, there might be some rough edges or stupid typos, but the overall work would be Great, by my standards at least, so after a quick review, would be ready to go. I used to refer to it as 'free work'. I guess letting go is more of a useful trait in design. I'd not recommend it for doing work in critically-important fields, obviously! - ed last line

Uberphallus 6y ago
Same. I tried coding tipsy, especially after colleague farewell meals, and I never did anything good. At most I gave funny code reviews to people. For most of my life I also cooked sober. But when I started cooking tipsy, I began preparing meals I could have never believed I made myself. My current lasagna recipe is an absolute bomb and it's been perfected over a dozen drunken cooking sessions. Even Italians asked me for the recipe.
- detritus 6y ago
  Oh! Don't get me started on tipsy cooking. Main problem there is replicability. My partner often gets annoyed at me when she asks if I can cook some nice thing I'd recently made, only for me to umm and aaah because I didn't write down the exact ingredients... .