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And? Google can't decide to fund organization that rewrites open source projects, or what? How is that different from forking the projects - apart from Google n

And? Google can't decide to fund organization that rewrites open source projects, or what? How is that different from forking the projects - apart from Google not taking anything at all?

beckman466 6y ago
The over-arching pattern is that capitalist firms are happy to take from the commons, yet do little to sustain it.
- emteycz 6y ago
  They're literally funding an organization that will take software to the next level and share it with the world, what more do you want?
  - bachmeier 6y ago
    A rewrite is not taking it "to the next level". It provides a new version in a new language that does the same things, and if things go according to plan, will have fewer safety issues. There's nothing that binds them to maintain any of these projects. Given Google's history, it's irresponsible to not consider long-term maintenance and other issues.
    - emteycz 6y ago
      No, C and Rust definitely don't do the same things. If the project is open source, I don't see how any maintenance concerns are relevant - everybody can judge for themselves.
      - gordian-mind 6y ago
        It's not that smart to mistake the purpose or specification of a program, with its implementation. Anyway, if everybody can judge for themselves, then I guess it's cool to judge that giving Google an inch over many critical open source projects is a horrible idea.
        emteycz 6y ago
        Sure, nobody says you have to use their software. But don't claim that they don't give back or that it's purposeless.
        cycloptic 6y ago
        You speak as if it's impossible for someone outside Google to maintain a project that isn't written in C++ or C...
- tptacek 6y ago
  This is like the archetypical lowbrow dismissal, since the ED of ISRG is literally on this thread saying that their M.O. is to fund project maintainers directly to get this work done. These workers control the means of production.

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And? Google can't decide to fund organization that rewrites open source projects, or what? How is that different from forking the projects - apart from Google n

by emteycz 6y ago

And? Google can't decide to fund organization that rewrites open source projects, or what? How is that different from forking the projects - apart from Google not taking anything at all?

beckman466 6y ago
The over-arching pattern is that capitalist firms are happy to take from the commons, yet do little to sustain it.
- emteycz 6y ago
  They're literally funding an organization that will take software to the next level and share it with the world, what more do you want?
  - bachmeier 6y ago
    A rewrite is not taking it "to the next level". It provides a new version in a new language that does the same things, and if things go according to plan, will have fewer safety issues. There's nothing that binds them to maintain any of these projects. Given Google's history, it's irresponsible to not consider long-term maintenance and other issues.
    - emteycz 6y ago
      No, C and Rust definitely don't do the same things. If the project is open source, I don't see how any maintenance concerns are relevant - everybody can judge for themselves.
      - gordian-mind 6y ago
        It's not that smart to mistake the purpose or specification of a program, with its implementation. Anyway, if everybody can judge for themselves, then I guess it's cool to judge that giving Google an inch over many critical open source projects is a horrible idea.
        emteycz 6y ago
        Sure, nobody says you have to use their software. But don't claim that they don't give back or that it's purposeless.
        cycloptic 6y ago
        You speak as if it's impossible for someone outside Google to maintain a project that isn't written in C++ or C...
- tptacek 6y ago
  This is like the archetypical lowbrow dismissal, since the ED of ISRG is literally on this thread saying that their M.O. is to fund project maintainers directly to get this work done. These workers control the means of production.