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What do you mean by this? I've never heard anyone claim that Britain hasn't been settled by various peoples over the millenia.

neilsense 6y ago
The only meaning they have is to push an agenda of something that doesn't really happen but makes them sound good to HN.
smcl 6y ago
I don’t think it is about recognising the origin of what we now call “British” people. But that there is still some intolerance of immigrants (particularly if they aren’t white) in Britain. It’s nowhere near as bad as it was but it still exists. Edit: downvotes suggest there’s some disagreement. I don’t think what I said is controversial or wrong, so I’d like to know the motivation
- swiley 6y ago
  idk, after talking to a number of British people during lockdown there's a general intolerance of white immigrants too.
  - smcl 6y ago
    Yep there's a weird anti-Polish thing that popped up through the 2000s as Poland joined the EU. I never really understood it or saw anyone in my friends/family holding this belief so I hope it's not too bad.
- type0 6y ago
  > I don’t think it is about recognising the origin of what we now call “British” people. But that there is still some intolerance of immigrants (particularly if they aren’t white) in Britain. As the saying goes in the old days some people could have a signs outside a shop "No dogs, no Irishmen and no blacks allowed". Was that really true for some parts of Britain or is it just tales?
  - smcl 6y ago
    If there was it was long before I was born (think segregation-era USA or earlier) but it would not surprise me. There's definitely been some anti-Catholic sentiment during my lifetime but that's largely been football related and largely confined to Glasgow I think. I know Catholic does not necessarily imply Irish, but this is the closest I can think of. I really don't know about England, they might have experienced something like this where many Irish people lived (Liverpool, maybe?). Since we're talking weird discriminatory signs though there is a sign in a bar called the Clachaig Inn which says "No Hawkers or Campbells". This goes back to the Glencoe Massacre in 1692 where members of Clan Campbell slaughtered the Glencoe McDonalds overnight, and which some people still hold a grudge about today. I hope it's just a historical curiosity though, I don't imagine they really forbid service to anyone with the surname Campbell. edit: come to think of it I now remember another HN'er (arethuza) talking about discrimination against Catholics in Scotland being more of a thing in recent history than I had realised. I can't remember the time period in question or whether they said it was better nowadays (again, I hope it is).
  - fiftyacorn 6y ago
    It was very true and not that long ago. I remember my mum talking about descrimination to Irish in the 60-70s and companies that wouldn't employ Irish.
fiftyacorn 6y ago
I'm meaning the sense of Britishness which brexiteers and the right speak of doesn't exist
- secondcoming 6y ago
  A British culture and way of life certainly does exist.

neilsense 6y ago

The only meaning they have is to push an agenda of something that doesn't really happen but makes them sound good to HN.

smcl 6y ago

I don’t think it is about recognising the origin of what we now call “British” people. But that there is still some intolerance of immigrants (particularly if they aren’t white) in Britain. It’s nowhere near as bad as it was but it still exists. Edit: downvotes suggest there’s some disagreement. I don’t think what I said is controversial or wrong, so I’d like to know the motivation

swiley 6y ago
idk, after talking to a number of British people during lockdown there's a general intolerance of white immigrants too.
- smcl 6y ago
  Yep there's a weird anti-Polish thing that popped up through the 2000s as Poland joined the EU. I never really understood it or saw anyone in my friends/family holding this belief so I hope it's not too bad.
type0 6y ago
> I don’t think it is about recognising the origin of what we now call “British” people. But that there is still some intolerance of immigrants (particularly if they aren’t white) in Britain. As the saying goes in the old days some people could have a signs outside a shop "No dogs, no Irishmen and no blacks allowed". Was that really true for some parts of Britain or is it just tales?
- smcl 6y ago
  If there was it was long before I was born (think segregation-era USA or earlier) but it would not surprise me. There's definitely been some anti-Catholic sentiment during my lifetime but that's largely been football related and largely confined to Glasgow I think. I know Catholic does not necessarily imply Irish, but this is the closest I can think of. I really don't know about England, they might have experienced something like this where many Irish people lived (Liverpool, maybe?). Since we're talking weird discriminatory signs though there is a sign in a bar called the Clachaig Inn which says "No Hawkers or Campbells". This goes back to the Glencoe Massacre in 1692 where members of Clan Campbell slaughtered the Glencoe McDonalds overnight, and which some people still hold a grudge about today. I hope it's just a historical curiosity though, I don't imagine they really forbid service to anyone with the surname Campbell. edit: come to think of it I now remember another HN'er (arethuza) talking about discrimination against Catholics in Scotland being more of a thing in recent history than I had realised. I can't remember the time period in question or whether they said it was better nowadays (again, I hope it is).
- fiftyacorn 6y ago
  It was very true and not that long ago. I remember my mum talking about descrimination to Irish in the 60-70s and companies that wouldn't employ Irish.

fiftyacorn 6y ago

I'm meaning the sense of Britishness which brexiteers and the right speak of doesn't exist

secondcoming 6y ago
A British culture and way of life certainly does exist.