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I only just came across this today but it looks amazing and I can’t wait to go kick the tyres on it. It fits an interesting use case for me as well. I have a n

by mhoad 6y ago

I only just came across this today but it looks amazing and I can’t wait to go kick the tyres on it. It fits an interesting use case for me as well. I have a new project coming up where I want to basically move as much as possible in the direction of “cloud native best practices and patterns” but I want to incur the smallest possible cost for doing so in terms of effort and actual costs. This seems like a potentially amazing out of the box experience that doesn’t require me to make drastic changes or also doesn’t require the kind of deep K8s (and surrounding ecosystem like linkerd etc) knowledge that would otherwise be required to set this up.

ignoramous 6y ago
> I want to basically move as much as possible in the direction of "cloud native best practices and patterns" but I want to incur the smallest possible cost for doing so in terms of effort and actual costs. Check out fly.io [0] which is likely the "smallest possible cost" you'd incur that otherwise may bloat up due to (drawing parallels to HashiCorp products) packaging and deploying with Waypoint, orchestrating with Nomad, and setting up networking with Consul. Dapr, if I understood it correctly, replaces only Waypoint and Consul, you're still left to deal with orchestration. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22616857 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22616857
- tptacek 6y ago
  Heh, I was asking earlier about what Dapr was because I was wondering how it might work on Fly. :)
eysi 6y ago
In that case you might also be interested in Garden (https://github.com/garden-io/garden https://github.com/garden-io/garden). It's an open source tool made for developing distributed systems / micro services. It abstracts most of the gnarly parts of K8s away and allows you to opt into them as needed. Full disclosure, I am affiliated so apologies for the shameless plug. But figured it might of interest to you.
- scaladev 6y ago
  >It abstracts most of the gnarly parts of K8s away Jesus Christ, it's an abstraction for an abstraction for an abstraction… you get the idea. Are there any abstractions for Garden, to hide its gnarly parts and operational complexity?
- mhoad 6y ago
  Thanks for the link. I just took a quick look and it seems like you’ve done a nice job tackling a lot of other parts that Dapr hasn’t.
  - sectiryla 6y ago
    Dapr and Garden are a really great combo. Dapr for dev concerns on k8s and Garden for managing deployments of microservices.

by mhoad 6y ago

ignoramous 6y ago

> I want to basically move as much as possible in the direction of "cloud native best practices and patterns" but I want to incur the smallest possible cost for doing so in terms of effort and actual costs. Check out fly.io [0] which is likely the "smallest possible cost" you'd incur that otherwise may bloat up due to (drawing parallels to HashiCorp products) packaging and deploying with Waypoint, orchestrating with Nomad, and setting up networking with Consul. Dapr, if I understood it correctly, replaces only Waypoint and Consul, you're still left to deal with orchestration. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22616857 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22616857

tptacek 6y ago
Heh, I was asking earlier about what Dapr was because I was wondering how it might work on Fly. :)

eysi 6y ago

In that case you might also be interested in Garden (https://github.com/garden-io/garden https://github.com/garden-io/garden). It's an open source tool made for developing distributed systems / micro services. It abstracts most of the gnarly parts of K8s away and allows you to opt into them as needed. Full disclosure, I am affiliated so apologies for the shameless plug. But figured it might of interest to you.

scaladev 6y ago
>It abstracts most of the gnarly parts of K8s away Jesus Christ, it's an abstraction for an abstraction for an abstraction… you get the idea. Are there any abstractions for Garden, to hide its gnarly parts and operational complexity?
mhoad 6y ago
Thanks for the link. I just took a quick look and it seems like you’ve done a nice job tackling a lot of other parts that Dapr hasn’t.
- sectiryla 6y ago
  Dapr and Garden are a really great combo. Dapr for dev concerns on k8s and Garden for managing deployments of microservices.