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Then why are you subscribing to the New York Times? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversies_involving_The_New_York_Times https://en.wikipedia.org/w

Then why are you subscribing to the New York Times? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversies_involving_The_New_York_Times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversies_involvin... So much for your "paper of record". It's the Paper of the Establishment. And always has been.

duxup 6y ago
What do you suggest?
- cbozeman 6y ago
  At the moment, its hard to say... I'm loathe to say, "Nothing", but that may actually be the most correct answer. Institutions have completely squandered what little trust the public once had in them. I think we're living through a very specific period of history in which we're going to see some sort of new paradigm emerge and become dominant. Citizen journalism has been on the rise - I don't know how long, I admit I don't pay much attention to it - and established journalists like Matt Taibbi are moving to Substack. I don't know what the future might hold, but I don't think the next 100 years will look at all like the past 100 years, at least insofar as the concept of "news" is concerned.
- nickthemagicman 6y ago
  BBC, NPR, /r/news, etc. There's tons of decent news sites.
  - cbozeman 6y ago
    Every single outlet you just listed is just as bad as the New York Times... /r/news is absolutely the worst cesspool shithole I've ever encountered on reddit, with the possible exception of /r/politics. It isn't just their rabid anti-conservative bias, which I'm more or less fine with as its pretty clear their possessed by their ideologies, but its their fascism of banning anyone who has a different opinion, while hilariously hiding behind "fighting fascism". I guess it makes sense though... fight fire with fire, fight fake fascism with real fascism...
    - duxup 6y ago
      I've never heard NPR or BBC talk about how they are "fighting fascism".
      - cbozeman 6y ago
        I meant those reddit forums....not the NYT or BBC.
        duxup 6y ago
        Oh got it. Yeah I'm kinda skeptical of reddit as a dedicated news source, it has issues... even just skewing the context of articles with wonky titles and such.
      - spikels 6y ago
        NPR has repeatedly brought up fascism in relation to US politics. Here's a story I just heard: https://www.npr.org/2021/02/14/967917822/author-on-trumps-acquittal-as-a-product-of-the-cult-of-the-leader https://www.npr.org/2021/02/14/967917822/author-on-trumps-ac... National NPR shows tend to be more cautious but local shows have been much more explicit: https://www.kalw.org/post/rise-fascism-united-states-how-should-be-dealt-all-levels-society#stream/0 https://www.kalw.org/post/rise-fascism-united-states-how-sho... Rarely read/listen to BBC but they seem a bit less hyperbolic than NPR.
    - nickthemagicman 6y ago
      The ultimate point is not to go to ONE news site. There is NO single site that gets it correct. Maybe you're being too hard on the news media. Maybe the problem is with human's inherent intellectual laziness. Maybe instead of visiting numerous sites and forming their own opinion people wait for a single news source to spoon feed them their thoughts for the day. You can be lazy or you can get closer to the truth.

duxup 6y ago

What do you suggest?

cbozeman 6y ago
At the moment, its hard to say... I'm loathe to say, "Nothing", but that may actually be the most correct answer. Institutions have completely squandered what little trust the public once had in them. I think we're living through a very specific period of history in which we're going to see some sort of new paradigm emerge and become dominant. Citizen journalism has been on the rise - I don't know how long, I admit I don't pay much attention to it - and established journalists like Matt Taibbi are moving to Substack. I don't know what the future might hold, but I don't think the next 100 years will look at all like the past 100 years, at least insofar as the concept of "news" is concerned.
nickthemagicman 6y ago
BBC, NPR, /r/news, etc. There's tons of decent news sites.
- cbozeman 6y ago
  Every single outlet you just listed is just as bad as the New York Times... /r/news is absolutely the worst cesspool shithole I've ever encountered on reddit, with the possible exception of /r/politics. It isn't just their rabid anti-conservative bias, which I'm more or less fine with as its pretty clear their possessed by their ideologies, but its their fascism of banning anyone who has a different opinion, while hilariously hiding behind "fighting fascism". I guess it makes sense though... fight fire with fire, fight fake fascism with real fascism...
  - duxup 6y ago
    I've never heard NPR or BBC talk about how they are "fighting fascism".
    - cbozeman 6y ago
      I meant those reddit forums....not the NYT or BBC.
      - duxup 6y ago
        Oh got it. Yeah I'm kinda skeptical of reddit as a dedicated news source, it has issues... even just skewing the context of articles with wonky titles and such.
    - spikels 6y ago
      NPR has repeatedly brought up fascism in relation to US politics. Here's a story I just heard: https://www.npr.org/2021/02/14/967917822/author-on-trumps-acquittal-as-a-product-of-the-cult-of-the-leader https://www.npr.org/2021/02/14/967917822/author-on-trumps-ac... National NPR shows tend to be more cautious but local shows have been much more explicit: https://www.kalw.org/post/rise-fascism-united-states-how-should-be-dealt-all-levels-society#stream/0 https://www.kalw.org/post/rise-fascism-united-states-how-sho... Rarely read/listen to BBC but they seem a bit less hyperbolic than NPR.
  - nickthemagicman 6y ago
    The ultimate point is not to go to ONE news site. There is NO single site that gets it correct. Maybe you're being too hard on the news media. Maybe the problem is with human's inherent intellectual laziness. Maybe instead of visiting numerous sites and forming their own opinion people wait for a single news source to spoon feed them their thoughts for the day. You can be lazy or you can get closer to the truth.