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I think that does often happen the way you described, but not in this case. First, to be a dev using the MSFT stack, as I'm sure you know, you learn a new tech

I think that does often happen the way you described, but not in this case. First, to be a dev using the MSFT stack, as I'm sure you know, you learn a new technology every week -- so they're not against learning new things :-) But more importantly, most of them complaining have used HTML/JS, and many use it regularly for the web side of the house. It's not an obscure language/Fx that people haven't touched before. They maybe haven't written Angry Bird with it (which BTW, their JS looks like it was machine generated -- anyone know how it was done?), but most know the technology decent enough to comment about it.

rbanffy 15y ago
> most of them complaining have used HTML/JS Using HTML/JS in Internet Explorer is very different from developing on a platform where HTML/JS application development is fully supported. I have been playing for some time with WebOS development and I am quite happy with it. Anyway, I seriously doubt .NET will be deprecated anytime soon.
- kenjackson 15y ago
  Using HTML/JS in Internet Explorer is very different from developing on a platform where HTML/JS application development is fully supported. I have been playing for some time with WebOS development and I am quite happy with it. This is probably true. But the tooling still leaves a bit to be desired. I was really excited about WebOS when it first came out, but they just took too long to get the SDK out. I eventually just moved on and haven't gone back. Although I do think the new stuff they're doing looks quite nice.
  - rbanffy 15y ago
    Are you confusing an SDK with an IDE? IIRC, the Palm launched an SDK early on, with a full device emulator. I don't see why an IDE is a basic requirement. I've been on and off IDEs for the past 2000 and, quite frankly, I am perfectly happy with Emacs.
    - kenjackson 15y ago
      No, I was given a Palm Pre (post-release), but didn't have access to the SDK. Here's an article: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9134650/Palm_expects_wide_availability_of_SDK_for_Pre_this_summer?source=rss_news http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9134650/Palm_expects_... If you were approved you got access, but most didn't. I think jwz ranted about this too. There were all these devs who wanted to write for it, but weren't given access. Eventually I gave the phone back. General rule, your SDK needs to be done a month before product launch -- unless you're Apple.
      - rbanffy 15y ago
        Odd. I remember getting the SDK very early. Maybe the fact I was a PalmOS developer since ever did play in my favor.
contextfree 15y ago
otoh, since the new app platform is based on IE10, it will have the new CSS3 grid module which seriously solves about half of the day-to-day problems I have with web front-end development.

rbanffy 15y ago

> most of them complaining have used HTML/JS Using HTML/JS in Internet Explorer is very different from developing on a platform where HTML/JS application development is fully supported. I have been playing for some time with WebOS development and I am quite happy with it. Anyway, I seriously doubt .NET will be deprecated anytime soon.

kenjackson 15y ago
Using HTML/JS in Internet Explorer is very different from developing on a platform where HTML/JS application development is fully supported. I have been playing for some time with WebOS development and I am quite happy with it. This is probably true. But the tooling still leaves a bit to be desired. I was really excited about WebOS when it first came out, but they just took too long to get the SDK out. I eventually just moved on and haven't gone back. Although I do think the new stuff they're doing looks quite nice.
- rbanffy 15y ago
  Are you confusing an SDK with an IDE? IIRC, the Palm launched an SDK early on, with a full device emulator. I don't see why an IDE is a basic requirement. I've been on and off IDEs for the past 2000 and, quite frankly, I am perfectly happy with Emacs.
  - kenjackson 15y ago
    No, I was given a Palm Pre (post-release), but didn't have access to the SDK. Here's an article: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9134650/Palm_expects_wide_availability_of_SDK_for_Pre_this_summer?source=rss_news http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9134650/Palm_expects_... If you were approved you got access, but most didn't. I think jwz ranted about this too. There were all these devs who wanted to write for it, but weren't given access. Eventually I gave the phone back. General rule, your SDK needs to be done a month before product launch -- unless you're Apple.
    - rbanffy 15y ago
      Odd. I remember getting the SDK very early. Maybe the fact I was a PalmOS developer since ever did play in my favor.

contextfree 15y ago

otoh, since the new app platform is based on IE10, it will have the new CSS3 grid module which seriously solves about half of the day-to-day problems I have with web front-end development.