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I work with product that detects water vapor in NG - if you have an example where this contributed to this blackout please send!

by K2h 6y ago

mike_d 6y ago
Methane melts at -295.6 F (It's cold in Texas, but not that cold!) so if NG facilities are having freeze ups it is absolutely due to the presence of water or hydrates. Because people have died, and the energy industry is heavily to blame, you're extremely unlikely to get any information to confirm or even satisfy your curiosity until a federal investigation has completed.
- jkhdigital 6y ago
  Or, you know, maybe nature played a role in those deaths too. It’s not like there’s just electricity lying around on the ground, free for anyone, and the evil energy companies are hoarding it all. Might be more helpful to temper the righteous indignation for now.
  - smaddox 6y ago
    Perhaps... Perhaps righteous indignation is not helpful. Perhaps some humility and resolve would be more helpful. Perhaps each and every Texan, myself included, should take personal responsibility for this failure to prepare for the consequences of this foreseeable (and [foreseen](https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Texas-grid-again-faces-scrutiny-over-cold-15955392.php https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Tex...)) disaster, and resolve to prepare both individually and by electing competent governors who won't prioritize corporate profit over resilience. > A hurricane is an act of God. But failure to prepare, when the necessity for preparation is well known—that’s sin. That’s failure to hit the mark. And the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). The ancient Jews always blamed themselves when things fell apart. They acted as if God’s goodness—the goodness of reality—was axiomatic, and took responsibility for their own failure. That’s insanely responsible. But the alternative is to judge reality as insufficient, to criticize Being itself, and to sink into resentment and the desire for revenge. - 12 Rules for Life by Jordan Peterson
    - adolph 6y ago
      As far as personal prep, things aren’t that different from a hurricane/flood event. Intermittent power is better than 2 weeks without like Ike. The cold is a new twist but not unmanageable. Judge Hidalgo seems up to the task and a few steps ahead of the mayor.
adolph 6y ago
I heard it from the CenterPoint person on this podcast iirc: https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/shows/town-square/2021/02/15/391520/over-one-million-harris-county-residents-without-power-as-temperatures-plunge-below-freezing/ https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/shows/town-squar...
pixl97 6y ago
Wells freeze in all the time. Around a decade ago I was working with an in law that was dealing with a frozen dewatering unit on a very large compressor. We also measure the water tanks get pumped back into the earth. High output wells need their water emptied every day or two. Guess what an ice storm prevents. On, and the water tanks will freeze and cant be emptied.

I work with product that detects water vapor in NG - if you have an example where this contributed to this blackout please send!

by K2h 6y ago

I work with product that detects water vapor in NG - if you have an example where this contributed to this blackout please send!

mike_d 6y ago

Methane melts at -295.6 F (It's cold in Texas, but not that cold!) so if NG facilities are having freeze ups it is absolutely due to the presence of water or hydrates. Because people have died, and the energy industry is heavily to blame, you're extremely unlikely to get any information to confirm or even satisfy your curiosity until a federal investigation has completed.

jkhdigital 6y ago
Or, you know, maybe nature played a role in those deaths too. It’s not like there’s just electricity lying around on the ground, free for anyone, and the evil energy companies are hoarding it all. Might be more helpful to temper the righteous indignation for now.
- smaddox 6y ago
  Perhaps... Perhaps righteous indignation is not helpful. Perhaps some humility and resolve would be more helpful. Perhaps each and every Texan, myself included, should take personal responsibility for this failure to prepare for the consequences of this foreseeable (and [foreseen](https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Texas-grid-again-faces-scrutiny-over-cold-15955392.php https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Tex...)) disaster, and resolve to prepare both individually and by electing competent governors who won't prioritize corporate profit over resilience. > A hurricane is an act of God. But failure to prepare, when the necessity for preparation is well known—that’s sin. That’s failure to hit the mark. And the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). The ancient Jews always blamed themselves when things fell apart. They acted as if God’s goodness—the goodness of reality—was axiomatic, and took responsibility for their own failure. That’s insanely responsible. But the alternative is to judge reality as insufficient, to criticize Being itself, and to sink into resentment and the desire for revenge. - 12 Rules for Life by Jordan Peterson
  - adolph 6y ago
    As far as personal prep, things aren’t that different from a hurricane/flood event. Intermittent power is better than 2 weeks without like Ike. The cold is a new twist but not unmanageable. Judge Hidalgo seems up to the task and a few steps ahead of the mayor.

adolph 6y ago

I heard it from the CenterPoint person on this podcast iirc: https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/shows/town-square/2021/02/15/391520/over-one-million-harris-county-residents-without-power-as-temperatures-plunge-below-freezing/ https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/shows/town-squar...

pixl97 6y ago

Wells freeze in all the time. Around a decade ago I was working with an in law that was dealing with a frozen dewatering unit on a very large compressor. We also measure the water tanks get pumped back into the earth. High output wells need their water emptied every day or two. Guess what an ice storm prevents. On, and the water tanks will freeze and cant be emptied.