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> I would guess tens of billions of dollars and fifty years, and that's if it would ever get approved in the first place. So? I still think it is worth it. Als

> I would guess tens of billions of dollars and fifty years, and that's if it would ever get approved in the first place. So? I still think it is worth it. Also, these costs and delays are not given, they are artificially induced by mismanagement, and could be changed. I am not saying that they shouldn't build the cars, I'm just pointing out that the "solution" they are providing isn't that revolutionary. Also, buses exist, which are much cheaper than what you are describing > Don't let perfect be the enemy of better. I don't really see how this is that much better than what already exists. How different would this really be from the status quo? I can already automatically hail a car which will take me where ever I need to go. Sure, autonomous cars _might_ be safer, but I doubt they will reduce congestion or travel times all that much. Plus, we'll have rolling surveillance cameras with a myriad of advanced sensors constantly driving by. I don't buy it

chrisseaton 6y ago
> So? I still think it is worth it. The 'so' is that your complaint was that these cars are too complicated and expensive. I think an actual public transit system is undeniably more complicated and expensive, even if it's worthwhile.
- thethethethe 6y ago
  I'm not complaining that the cars are expensive or complicated, I am just pointing out that it is a silly solution to problem which has already been solved. > I think an actual public transit system is undeniably more complicated and expensive, even if it's worthwhile I'm not so sure about this. We have public transit systems figured out in a lot of places. We don't even have self driving cars that we consider safe yet, let alone laws which regulate them
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    > [the cars are] the most expensive, most complicated solution > I'm not complaining that the cars are expensive or complicated
    - thethethethe 6y ago
      I don't see how stating that something is expensive or complicated is a complaint. You clearly are not trying to understand what my original comment meant. I was trying to point out my perceived irony of the situation, then state my opinion, not complain about Waymo. I'm not really sure why you are being so adversarial, looking at your other comments here, I don't think we disagree all that much

chrisseaton 6y ago

> So? I still think it is worth it. The 'so' is that your complaint was that these cars are too complicated and expensive. I think an actual public transit system is undeniably more complicated and expensive, even if it's worthwhile.

thethethethe 6y ago
I'm not complaining that the cars are expensive or complicated, I am just pointing out that it is a silly solution to problem which has already been solved. > I think an actual public transit system is undeniably more complicated and expensive, even if it's worthwhile I'm not so sure about this. We have public transit systems figured out in a lot of places. We don't even have self driving cars that we consider safe yet, let alone laws which regulate them
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  > [the cars are] the most expensive, most complicated solution > I'm not complaining that the cars are expensive or complicated
  - thethethethe 6y ago
    I don't see how stating that something is expensive or complicated is a complaint. You clearly are not trying to understand what my original comment meant. I was trying to point out my perceived irony of the situation, then state my opinion, not complain about Waymo. I'm not really sure why you are being so adversarial, looking at your other comments here, I don't think we disagree all that much