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This is a great post - "moral suffering" exactly captures the feeling I have as an educated and affluent Indian. Yet, I keep going back, keep doing more in Indi
by sridhar_vembu 15y ago
This is a great post - "moral suffering" exactly captures the feeling I have as an educated and affluent Indian. Yet, I keep going back, keep doing more in India.
I have thought about this quite a bit, and here is an interlocking set of problems that cause this "moral suffering". The phrase "private wealth and public squalor" captures the present situation in urban India very well. A city like Chennai or Bangalore is not that poor anymore on a per-capita basis, but they looks much poorer. The contrasts are just shocking. You can find apartment complexes where flats cost $150-200K and up (yes that is in USD) , sitting on potholed roads, surrounded by trash. Here is an explanation of how the system doesn't work in India:
* Taxation system is irrational - the $200K apartment would pay next to nothing in property taxes, probably as little as $100 a year (legally). Local governments require state or central assistance to run themselves. Consequence: there is no way for a local government to plan ahead, it has to rely on entities at a much higher level. Even the state government doesn't have much of a tax base, so it relies on grants from the center. This is a completely broken over-centralized public finance system, but there is absolutely no political will to tackle it.
* Relentless concentration of economic activity in major cities, because smaller cities and towns are even more starved of resources (on a per capita basis) and lack any local tax base at all, so both investment and people migrate to large cities like Chennai or Bangalore. This self-reinforcing dynamic has resulted in ridiculously overpopulated big cities. At Zoho, 70-80% of our employees come from smaller towns who have migrated to Chennai, so we are part of the problem of this over-concentration of economic activity.
* Increasing private wealth and non-existent urban infrastructure combine to produce some of the most extreme valuations in real estate in the world. Right next to Zoho office in formerly suburban Chennai, land goes for $10 million an acre (there are no acre-sized parcels, of course) simply because as a close-in suburb, this has a nominally functioning infrastructure, which far out places would lack.
Note that I don't mention a world about corruption because that exists in so many other countries without producing the same urban squalor and "moral suffering" that India produces.
The solution I have come up with, something we intend to adopt in Zoho, is to abandon major cities, and move to much, much smaller towns. At the level of about 50-100K population, there are many towns that offer a decent quality of life, particularly when you bring in the kind of jobs and economic activity a company like Zoho can bring. This is the plan we are working on.
Now I will mention some good news, because some posters here are so pessimistic. In my life time, I have seen massive improvements, massive reduction in human suffering in South India. I routinely saw sights as a kid that I don't see anymore: train stations full of emaciated, sick people begging, severe malnourishment everywhere, higher education serving 1-2% of the population (now in the Southern states, it is closer to 20-30%), and a general mood that life would never get better. Today a lot of smart young talent coming on stream that is a capitalist's dream in India. Yes, you have to invest in training and skill building, but if you do, the rewards are immense. The monetary rewards are very good, but the psychic rewards are immeasurable.
- luckystrike 15y agoThe solution I have come up with, something we intend to adopt in Zoho, is to abandon major cities, and move to much, much smaller towns. This definitely is a good move especially for a company like Zoho that has an excellent training & skill building program. I personally would like to do the same once my startup gets going and of course assuming other things fall in place. Probably, that's an advantage for a bootstrapped company rather than a funded one, where one might be forced to stick to such bigger cities with moral suffering.
- chailatte 15y agoI have a different suggestion. Leave India altogether. Take the programmers with you. Don't give those politicians any more wealth. Doesn't mean you still can't help build roads and clean up garbage in towns in India. You're still going to help the populace, just not at the mercy of politicians. Although realistically, I doubt Zoho can even leave Chennai, let alone India.
- dxbydt 15y agoI think bringing in your nationality into the debate makes it somewhat irrational. You've said you are "an educated and affluent Indian". In reality, you are "an educated and affluent person". Whether you choose to live in India or choose to pursue a greencard in the US as a Princeton PhD in academia or industry, or maybe go to UK/Canada/Europe, or maybe even South America - Brazil, Costa Rica, all of these are/were valid choices. You've simply chosen to return to India, perhaps as some sort of default choice. But all those other choices still exist. Each of them will have some component of moral suffering and some component of psychic reward. I think many of the "system does not work" points you've made are simply examples of a different system. When I'm back home in India and I see people pissing on the street corner, I don't think "Hey, system does not work. They should be pissing in restrooms". I think "This is a different system with some pluses & some minuses. Pluses : no infrastructure needed, organic waste in a tropic country decays rapidly, freedom to piss wherever since its accepted culturally. Minuses : the pervasive smell of ammonia." I think that attitude makes it much easier to adapt to the different system than to try and westernize everything by saying "system doesn't work in India".
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