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Shapiros history of consistent homophobic, transphobic, islamophobic vitrol sure do seem consistent with everything I hear from people in the alt right movement

by lrvick 6y ago

Shapiros history of consistent homophobic, transphobic, islamophobic vitrol sure do seem consistent with everything I hear from people in the alt right movement and validates them. He also claims he is not alt right, not homophobic, and not racist. So there is that.

kypro 6y ago
> He also claims he is not alt right, not homophobic, and not racist. So there is that. Would you claim you're not alt-right, homophobic or racist? You seem like the kind of person who would deny all those labels to be honest.
- lrvick 6y ago
  I probably am a little sexist, homophobic, transphobic, and racist in ways I don't fully realize due to my privileges. Unlike Shapiro however you will be unlikely to find any overtly bigoted content scrolling through my public commentary.
  - cobraetor 6y ago
    Would you consider this person[1] to be transphobic? He is not a conservative and yet holds similar views to that of Shapiro. [1] https://blog.alexgleason.me/gab-block/ https://blog.alexgleason.me/gab-block/
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  - macspoofing 6y ago
    You know, it's not OK to be racist, so I'm not sure why you are proud of self-identifying as such. It's not OK even if, as you claim, you grew up with a silver spoon. You know what's in your heart of hearts, so please work on whatever it is that you identified in yourself that makes you hate others for things that they cannot control.
    - lrvick 6y ago
      I think every person with privilege likely contributes to harming other demographics in ways they don't fully understand. I built my current life from homelessness and used to think I came up from nothing... but it wasn't nothing. On my worst day I was white, cis, male, straight, and healthy. That is basically a cheat code in this game. I had to step back from patting myself on the back as much because I won a race built for me to win at the expense of others. I will forever be a work in progress when it comes to extending my privileges to others to stop the cycle. I would rather commit to the mindset that I am always a little bit unconcioisly bigoted and contributing to the problem than thinking I have reached some plateau of perfect ethically balanced harmony with others. My male blood relatives all have confederate flag tattoos, and boldly claim they are not racist in spite of openly admitting they only trust other white people. I try to never let myself reach the denial stage anymore. It is a trap.
      - macspoofing 6y ago
        >I think every person with privilege likely contributes to harming other demographics in ways they don't fully understand. I think you should focus on yourself. Like I said, I don't know what's going on in your heart-of-hearts, but you do, and you see hate for others in there. I don't understand why you're like that. That's something you need to work on before you project what's inside you onto others. And let me tell you: The hate you feel for others not like you, is not normal. >On my worst day I was white, cis, male, straight, and healthy. Outside of health, who says those are the most important characteristics? What Scientific peer-review data says that? None of those things intrinsically confer benefits. A poor white kid from a broken home isn't going to get any benefits in life just because he's white. It's such an evil thing that is done where you single out children of a specific race who come, for example, from poverty and say to them: you're privileged because you're white. What a terrible and evil philosophy you follow. Study after study shows that success in life in modern democracies are dominated by factors other than things like race and gender. Things like: - Height - Attractiveness - Age - Immigration status - Sense of Humor - Verbal skill. - Ingenuity - Leadership qualities - Sociability - Upbringing - Class status - Imagination - Cleverness - Intelligence - Education - Athletic ability all provide their own benefits and privileges. Many of those things I listed are a product of genetics and environment. I didn't choose to come to this country as 10 year old with parents who had no education, and 0 English, who then worked multiple blue-collar jobs, to then have you and others like you just see nothing but my skin color and say that everything was handed to me and my family because YOU had easy in life. Thanks but no thanks. And of course, the idea that only certain kinds of race or certain kinds of gender provide a benefit in very situation is insanity. So please, you and I may share skin color hue but we are nothing alike and you don't know anything about me, so stop pretending you do.
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zarkov99 6y ago
What utter nonsense. Shapiro is just a conservative pundit the only thing that sets him apart is that he is very smart and, relatively speaking, intellectually honest. His greatest crime is not kowtowing to the left orthodoxy that is so dominant in tech/academia/media. And that makes his voice particularly valuable.
- nindalf 6y ago
  What’s valuable about homophobia? What’s intellectually honest about hating people for their sexual orientation and advocating for discrimination against them? If the left orthodoxy means treating people equally, sign me up. > very smart This is the guy who endorsed Trump in October 2020 for another four year term because “he’s already done all the damage he can, he can’t do anything more”. Genius.
  - bargl 6y ago
    >If the left orthodoxy means treating people equally, sign me up. If we all understand that this is actually (under the law) what MOST people want we'll be able to get along. >What’s valuable about homophobia? What’s intellectually honest about hating people for their sexual orientation and advocating for discrimination against them? I just started looking this up to write this comment. I was curious about it and I wanted to be as correct as I can. Ben Shapiro believes that contractually, under the law, homosexuality should be allowed. Full Stop. This is a very libertarian perspective. It's the idea that no matter what I personally believe due to my religion, you can and should be able to legally do what you want as long as it doesn't affect others (throwing that in for the abortion argument). Personally, Ben Shapiro is a homophobe. Politically, he is not. He's pro-equality of opportunity and recognition under the law. As someone who grew up really religious, I can understand how he justifies this idea. You are indoctrinated to hate the sin and love the sinner. This does not always come out the way it's supposed to, and leads to homophobia which I believe is evil and a reason I left religion. However, this dualism allows for one to strive for political equality, while still spouting homophobic ideas. This is a very fine line to draw on a topic like this, but I think it's important for us to recognize if we're ever going to get less divided hateful towards each other. Most people, even bigots, racists, homophobes, etc. want equality. They want the government to give them the same rights as anyone else and to be left alone. They want their rallies, protests, sermons, etc. In order to get that they recognize (at least people like Shapiro do) that they need to fight a cultural war instead of a political one on this stuff. It doesn't mean that those ideas are ok for people to personally have, but it does mean that we can work together to agree on a lot of shit, make progress. tl;dr; Don't hate people on the other side of politics, talk to them.

by lrvick 6y ago

kypro 6y ago

> He also claims he is not alt right, not homophobic, and not racist. So there is that. Would you claim you're not alt-right, homophobic or racist? You seem like the kind of person who would deny all those labels to be honest.

lrvick 6y ago
I probably am a little sexist, homophobic, transphobic, and racist in ways I don't fully realize due to my privileges. Unlike Shapiro however you will be unlikely to find any overtly bigoted content scrolling through my public commentary.
- cobraetor 6y ago
  Would you consider this person[1] to be transphobic? He is not a conservative and yet holds similar views to that of Shapiro. [1] https://blog.alexgleason.me/gab-block/ https://blog.alexgleason.me/gab-block/
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- macspoofing 6y ago
  You know, it's not OK to be racist, so I'm not sure why you are proud of self-identifying as such. It's not OK even if, as you claim, you grew up with a silver spoon. You know what's in your heart of hearts, so please work on whatever it is that you identified in yourself that makes you hate others for things that they cannot control.
  - lrvick 6y ago
    I think every person with privilege likely contributes to harming other demographics in ways they don't fully understand. I built my current life from homelessness and used to think I came up from nothing... but it wasn't nothing. On my worst day I was white, cis, male, straight, and healthy. That is basically a cheat code in this game. I had to step back from patting myself on the back as much because I won a race built for me to win at the expense of others. I will forever be a work in progress when it comes to extending my privileges to others to stop the cycle. I would rather commit to the mindset that I am always a little bit unconcioisly bigoted and contributing to the problem than thinking I have reached some plateau of perfect ethically balanced harmony with others. My male blood relatives all have confederate flag tattoos, and boldly claim they are not racist in spite of openly admitting they only trust other white people. I try to never let myself reach the denial stage anymore. It is a trap.
    - macspoofing 6y ago
      >I think every person with privilege likely contributes to harming other demographics in ways they don't fully understand. I think you should focus on yourself. Like I said, I don't know what's going on in your heart-of-hearts, but you do, and you see hate for others in there. I don't understand why you're like that. That's something you need to work on before you project what's inside you onto others. And let me tell you: The hate you feel for others not like you, is not normal. >On my worst day I was white, cis, male, straight, and healthy. Outside of health, who says those are the most important characteristics? What Scientific peer-review data says that? None of those things intrinsically confer benefits. A poor white kid from a broken home isn't going to get any benefits in life just because he's white. It's such an evil thing that is done where you single out children of a specific race who come, for example, from poverty and say to them: you're privileged because you're white. What a terrible and evil philosophy you follow. Study after study shows that success in life in modern democracies are dominated by factors other than things like race and gender. Things like: - Height - Attractiveness - Age - Immigration status - Sense of Humor - Verbal skill. - Ingenuity - Leadership qualities - Sociability - Upbringing - Class status - Imagination - Cleverness - Intelligence - Education - Athletic ability all provide their own benefits and privileges. Many of those things I listed are a product of genetics and environment. I didn't choose to come to this country as 10 year old with parents who had no education, and 0 English, who then worked multiple blue-collar jobs, to then have you and others like you just see nothing but my skin color and say that everything was handed to me and my family because YOU had easy in life. Thanks but no thanks. And of course, the idea that only certain kinds of race or certain kinds of gender provide a benefit in very situation is insanity. So please, you and I may share skin color hue but we are nothing alike and you don't know anything about me, so stop pretending you do.

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zarkov99 6y ago

What utter nonsense. Shapiro is just a conservative pundit the only thing that sets him apart is that he is very smart and, relatively speaking, intellectually honest. His greatest crime is not kowtowing to the left orthodoxy that is so dominant in tech/academia/media. And that makes his voice particularly valuable.

nindalf 6y ago
What’s valuable about homophobia? What’s intellectually honest about hating people for their sexual orientation and advocating for discrimination against them? If the left orthodoxy means treating people equally, sign me up. > very smart This is the guy who endorsed Trump in October 2020 for another four year term because “he’s already done all the damage he can, he can’t do anything more”. Genius.
- bargl 6y ago
  >If the left orthodoxy means treating people equally, sign me up. If we all understand that this is actually (under the law) what MOST people want we'll be able to get along. >What’s valuable about homophobia? What’s intellectually honest about hating people for their sexual orientation and advocating for discrimination against them? I just started looking this up to write this comment. I was curious about it and I wanted to be as correct as I can. Ben Shapiro believes that contractually, under the law, homosexuality should be allowed. Full Stop. This is a very libertarian perspective. It's the idea that no matter what I personally believe due to my religion, you can and should be able to legally do what you want as long as it doesn't affect others (throwing that in for the abortion argument). Personally, Ben Shapiro is a homophobe. Politically, he is not. He's pro-equality of opportunity and recognition under the law. As someone who grew up really religious, I can understand how he justifies this idea. You are indoctrinated to hate the sin and love the sinner. This does not always come out the way it's supposed to, and leads to homophobia which I believe is evil and a reason I left religion. However, this dualism allows for one to strive for political equality, while still spouting homophobic ideas. This is a very fine line to draw on a topic like this, but I think it's important for us to recognize if we're ever going to get less divided hateful towards each other. Most people, even bigots, racists, homophobes, etc. want equality. They want the government to give them the same rights as anyone else and to be left alone. They want their rallies, protests, sermons, etc. In order to get that they recognize (at least people like Shapiro do) that they need to fight a cultural war instead of a political one on this stuff. It doesn't mean that those ideas are ok for people to personally have, but it does mean that we can work together to agree on a lot of shit, make progress. tl;dr; Don't hate people on the other side of politics, talk to them.