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30% is one of the lowest fees in the market. Amazon's Twitch takes 50% fee. Also Tencent, who is behind Epic Games lawsuit takes 50% fee in China with their And

30% is one of the lowest fees in the market. Amazon's Twitch takes 50% fee. Also Tencent, who is behind Epic Games lawsuit takes 50% fee in China with their Android App Store.

simion314 6y ago
So? on MacBooks you can download and install any applications, including GPL ones for free, no censorship or GPL aversion issues. Because inn your opinion Apple shit stinks less still you should have the freedom to not eat it. so you should have the choice not to use the store
- valparaiso 6y ago
  It's not my opinion. It's fact that court doesn't compare open platforms (Windows, Linux Distros, macOS) with closed ones - iOS, Nintendo, Xbox, PlayStation. Please see preliminary hearing video where judge rejected such arguments like yours. Epic lawyers failed very badly.
  - simion314 6y ago
    It does not matter what a judge said in the past when we want to create some new laws, the new laws will invalidate the old stuff.
    - valparaiso 6y ago
      You can't invalidate walled gardens because every company uses it. From Tesla to NASA.
      - simion314 6y ago
        Sure we can, if people want it they can. Example with ATM machines in EU, before I had to find an ATM machine from my bank because using other bank one would cost a lot, guess what laws fix that and the people benefited and the big banks suffered a bit, some rich bastards has one less expensive car now... so in a society it is possible to make illegal shitty behavior. (in case you are wondering the banks did not left and no righ dude lost his home because of this) So if the people would convince the politicians that loot boxes, game exclusives, wall gardens, tracking etc is bad they can force the big giants to stop it and no fanboy or judge in Texas could affect what EU m Australia or other countries would decide.
endless1234 6y ago
>30% is one of the lowest fees in the market. What? This is simply not true. If anything, 30% is the standard for app distribution. Steam, GOG, MS Store, Playstation, Xbox, Nintendo, Apple App Store & Google Play are all at 30%. If it's a lot or not is opinion. >Amazon's Twitch takes 50% fee Twitch is not an app store, it makes no difference to this discussion. It just happens to be higher than 30, so you mentioned it. For example patreon takes 8-12%, but that does not matter either. >Also Tencent, who is behind Epic Games lawsuit Tencent is not behind the Epic Games lawsuit.

30% is one of the lowest fees in the market. Amazon's Twitch takes 50% fee. Also Tencent, who is behind Epic Games lawsuit takes 50% fee in China with their Android App Store.

simion314 6y ago

So? on MacBooks you can download and install any applications, including GPL ones for free, no censorship or GPL aversion issues. Because inn your opinion Apple shit stinks less still you should have the freedom to not eat it. so you should have the choice not to use the store

valparaiso 6y ago
It's not my opinion. It's fact that court doesn't compare open platforms (Windows, Linux Distros, macOS) with closed ones - iOS, Nintendo, Xbox, PlayStation. Please see preliminary hearing video where judge rejected such arguments like yours. Epic lawyers failed very badly.
- simion314 6y ago
  It does not matter what a judge said in the past when we want to create some new laws, the new laws will invalidate the old stuff.
  - valparaiso 6y ago
    You can't invalidate walled gardens because every company uses it. From Tesla to NASA.
    - simion314 6y ago
      Sure we can, if people want it they can. Example with ATM machines in EU, before I had to find an ATM machine from my bank because using other bank one would cost a lot, guess what laws fix that and the people benefited and the big banks suffered a bit, some rich bastards has one less expensive car now... so in a society it is possible to make illegal shitty behavior. (in case you are wondering the banks did not left and no righ dude lost his home because of this) So if the people would convince the politicians that loot boxes, game exclusives, wall gardens, tracking etc is bad they can force the big giants to stop it and no fanboy or judge in Texas could affect what EU m Australia or other countries would decide.

endless1234 6y ago

>30% is one of the lowest fees in the market. What? This is simply not true. If anything, 30% is the standard for app distribution. Steam, GOG, MS Store, Playstation, Xbox, Nintendo, Apple App Store & Google Play are all at 30%. If it's a lot or not is opinion. >Amazon's Twitch takes 50% fee Twitch is not an app store, it makes no difference to this discussion. It just happens to be higher than 30, so you mentioned it. For example patreon takes 8-12%, but that does not matter either. >Also Tencent, who is behind Epic Games lawsuit Tencent is not behind the Epic Games lawsuit.