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Well, as I said there are more than just 2 sides in this. There are multiple groups with multiple agendas. On the BLM side I see a subset of violent criminals i

by simonh 6y ago

Well, as I said there are more than just 2 sides in this. There are multiple groups with multiple agendas. On the BLM side I see a subset of violent criminals in a movement aiming to reform policing and governance. I think they're largely wrong, but they're not a threat to the democratic process and they can be negotiated with or opposed institutionally. In Trumpism I see a subset of violent criminals in a movement that, from the top, tried to overthrow democracy in America. Not in a sub-group, not an extremist sub-set or faction. From the top down.

apostacy 6y ago
> On the BLM side I see a subset of violent criminals in a movement aiming to reform policing and governance. Again, the arson, the vehicular terror attacks, the kidnappings, and the mass shootings are bit too much for me to stomach. And no effort is made to distance themselves from the violence and coercion. It is like trying to say that soup is really good except for the poop in it; 'mostly' peaceful. I don't think there is any evidence that Trumpists wanted to overthrow democracy. The Trump supporters did a BLM-lite style protest of the capital building. They were actually much nicer than BLM usually is. They shuffled around the hallways of an empty building for 45 minutes and then left. A guy had plastic zip-ties, which people theorize that he was going to take hostages or something (but didn't). Their action was clearly symbolic, and the overreaction to it just shows how detached and insincere people are. So no, I'm sorry I just don't see what you are seeing.
- simonh 6y ago
  >And no effort is made to distance themselves from the violence and coercion. and >Their action was clearly symbolic In the same post. Wow. The personal testimony of a lot of the people actually there seems to disagree with your assessment. They seem to have known exactly what they were there to do and weren't shy of saying so.

by simonh 6y ago

apostacy 6y ago

> On the BLM side I see a subset of violent criminals in a movement aiming to reform policing and governance. Again, the arson, the vehicular terror attacks, the kidnappings, and the mass shootings are bit too much for me to stomach. And no effort is made to distance themselves from the violence and coercion. It is like trying to say that soup is really good except for the poop in it; 'mostly' peaceful. I don't think there is any evidence that Trumpists wanted to overthrow democracy. The Trump supporters did a BLM-lite style protest of the capital building. They were actually much nicer than BLM usually is. They shuffled around the hallways of an empty building for 45 minutes and then left. A guy had plastic zip-ties, which people theorize that he was going to take hostages or something (but didn't). Their action was clearly symbolic, and the overreaction to it just shows how detached and insincere people are. So no, I'm sorry I just don't see what you are seeing.

simonh 6y ago
>And no effort is made to distance themselves from the violence and coercion. and >Their action was clearly symbolic In the same post. Wow. The personal testimony of a lot of the people actually there seems to disagree with your assessment. They seem to have known exactly what they were there to do and weren't shy of saying so.