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I totally understand that but from my POV, I don't see Apple losing the App Store's position as a positive for consumers. Let's compare Android's eco-system to

I totally understand that but from my POV, I don't see Apple losing the App Store's position as a positive for consumers. Let's compare Android's eco-system to iOS's. Android's app ecosystem is terrible IMO, piracy - viruses - cloned apps - and general very low quality apps. I'm a mobile developer (both iOS and Android) and I use both in my daily live. I know some people prefer Android but MANY don't. To me it's VERY far from obvious that Apple's walled garden is worse for consumers. In fact I'd say that Apple's App Store is the best example of a platform eco-system we have had in the history of computing. I could see the argument if iOS was the only real choice but it's not even the most popular by sheer numbers.

justapassenger 6y ago
If Apple would open up to other apps stores I’d most likely stay with theirs, because I also like value they provide. But that doesn’t mean I agree with them not allowing other people to make a choice. For me 30% for purchases and having heavily curated store is ok, but others it’s not, and they should be allowed to choose. If Apple store is truly superior, they won’t have problems staying ahead of competition.
- jaegerpicker 6y ago
  They do have a choice, use Android if they don't like it. All the major apps are available on Android. Good hardware is available. There is nothing besides time and money to stop them. I don't understand how anyone can ask for choice when it already exists.
  - kaba0 6y ago
    There is no choice for good hardware, non-walled garden and no tracking. Choose two. If there is, please show me and I will be the first in line. Android forks would be great but unfortunately phones come with plenty of firmware that gets wiped on flashing a new OS. And if the question is a possibly non-working camera than I personally will remain in the walled garden, but not happily.
    - wwtrv 6y ago
      Maybe that’s because “no tracking” is close to impossible without a walled garden if you want to use commercial, ad revenue based apps or services.
      - kaba0 6y ago
        No tracking is a security/sandbox feature (or at least the part that can be enforced. Like apple can’t tell facebook to stop analyzing your messages, but it can deny location readings/cross-app tracking, et,)
kaba0 6y ago
But as other’s said, a disabled by default way to sideload apps on the very hardware I paid for should be a given freedom of mine. They should not be able to sell a “way of life”, but only a hardware software platform layer on top of which I as a user should be able to decide for myself what I want. (Also, I find the App Store’s recommendation engine pretty terrible unfortunately, discovery is pretty much impossible)

justapassenger 6y ago

If Apple would open up to other apps stores I’d most likely stay with theirs, because I also like value they provide. But that doesn’t mean I agree with them not allowing other people to make a choice. For me 30% for purchases and having heavily curated store is ok, but others it’s not, and they should be allowed to choose. If Apple store is truly superior, they won’t have problems staying ahead of competition.

jaegerpicker 6y ago
They do have a choice, use Android if they don't like it. All the major apps are available on Android. Good hardware is available. There is nothing besides time and money to stop them. I don't understand how anyone can ask for choice when it already exists.
- kaba0 6y ago
  There is no choice for good hardware, non-walled garden and no tracking. Choose two. If there is, please show me and I will be the first in line. Android forks would be great but unfortunately phones come with plenty of firmware that gets wiped on flashing a new OS. And if the question is a possibly non-working camera than I personally will remain in the walled garden, but not happily.
  - wwtrv 6y ago
    Maybe that’s because “no tracking” is close to impossible without a walled garden if you want to use commercial, ad revenue based apps or services.
    - kaba0 6y ago
      No tracking is a security/sandbox feature (or at least the part that can be enforced. Like apple can’t tell facebook to stop analyzing your messages, but it can deny location readings/cross-app tracking, et,)

kaba0 6y ago

But as other’s said, a disabled by default way to sideload apps on the very hardware I paid for should be a given freedom of mine. They should not be able to sell a “way of life”, but only a hardware software platform layer on top of which I as a user should be able to decide for myself what I want. (Also, I find the App Store’s recommendation engine pretty terrible unfortunately, discovery is pretty much impossible)