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> My gaming computer is already filled with like 8 different app stores each completely different then the other and a variety of privacy/security issues on eac

> My gaming computer is already filled with like 8 different app stores each completely different then the other and a variety of privacy/security issues on each. Do you honestly think this is a worse scenario than having to buy all of your apps/games through Microsoft's app store? Can you imagine using macOS without homebrew because everything has to come from Apple's app store? Can you imagine using Ubuntu without apt because everything has to come from the Canonical's software center? Even Android is made slightly more tolerable by the existence of F-Droid. Being able to use your preferred software manager/store for everything would be nice, but I don't know of any platform that lets you do that. You either have to deal with multiple software managers and use your preferred one as much as possible, or you're stuck with whatever the platform forces on you. I definitely prefer the former.

BillinghamJ 6y ago
Absolutely yes. As a user, I really wish Microsoft required the use of their store. Having a single place to go is a lot easier
- dannyw 6y ago
  What you are wishing for though is the death of computing.
- SomeHacker44 6y ago
  Quibble: I cannot stand the Microsoft store because I cannot simply delete the apps or even understand why they are there even after I told it to uninstall. I also cannot easily move apps between drives or even control which drive something is installed on sometimes. Steam is the best this way, IMO.
  - BillinghamJ 6y ago
    That's actually one thing I quite liked about it - there's some option to just switch an app from one drive to another, and it's one of the only things I've found in Windows which actually "just works"
- CivBase 6y ago
  Maybe you'd be interested in joining the dozens of other Windows 10 S users.
- ryandrake 6y ago
  Same here. As a user, I would rather have direct download/installation, aka sideloading. But absent that, I would much prefer to have all my applciations available on one store. Having to download multiple stores in order to get multiple applications is pretty much the worst outcome.
- wazanator 6y ago
  What you want is Windows 10 S mode. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/s-mode https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/s-mode
  - BillinghamJ 6y ago
    Only works if it's enforced for all users though. Having all the Windows apps in the single official store is really the only possible way for it to function Obviously never going to happen, but it'd be a much nicer ecosystem if it did work that way
judge2020 6y ago
Contrarily, MSFT being the one to approve all code would be good in that it would destroy the current Windows code signing racket that only six companies have access to[0]. 0: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/dashboard/get-a-code-signing-certificate#extended-validation-code-signing-certificates https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/da... (thankfully MSFT is indeed working on their own first-party code signing solution https://youtu.be/Wi-4WdpKm5E https://youtu.be/Wi-4WdpKm5E)
Terretta 6y ago
> everything has to come from Apple’s app store? See SetApp for MacOS and for iOS: - https://setapp.com/ https://setapp.com/ - https://setapp.com/how-it-works https://setapp.com/how-it-works
dwaite 6y ago
> Can you imagine using macOS without homebrew because everything has to come from Apple's app store? No, because I would have never used macOS if there were limitations that prevented me from being able to do my job. And imagining a world where Apple restricted macOS in such a way is a rather unlikely hypothetical. The big difference is that iOS has _never_ had these capabilities. Many people have opted into the current model of iOS because they don't consider it a general purpose computing device - they consider it a phone, an iPod, an internet browser, or an angry birds player. > Can you imagine using Ubuntu without apt because everything has to come from the Canonical's software center? No, for the same reason. Their customer base would refuse to upgrade, servers would be migrated off, etc. A closer equivalent there to the current game app stores would be always-on licensing servers which used physical dongles - the game stores are running basically as licensing servers. And professionals _hated_ these. Even software-based licensing servers over the LAN is much less common in professional software these days.
- CivBase 6y ago
  > A closer equivalent there to the current game app stores would be always-on licensing servers which used physical dongles - the game stores are running basically as licensing servers. And professionals _hated_ these. Even software-based licensing servers over the LAN is much less common in professional software these days. While it's true that apps for PC game stores often double as DRM, I don't think that's relevant to a discussion of whether or not Apple should be compelled to allow for third-party app distribution platforms and the "side loading" of apps on iOS. After all, there is little stopping you from implementing always-on DRM on an iOS app. You'd just have to implement it in the app directly, which is how PC games used to do it before modern platforms became popular. The rise of those platforms (Steam in particular) had a lot to do with the downfall of oft-maligned DRM solutions like SecuROM. Software-embedded DRM tech like Denuvo are still a blight on PC gaming, but they're at least less common than they once were.

BillinghamJ 6y ago

Absolutely yes. As a user, I really wish Microsoft required the use of their store. Having a single place to go is a lot easier

dannyw 6y ago
What you are wishing for though is the death of computing.
SomeHacker44 6y ago
Quibble: I cannot stand the Microsoft store because I cannot simply delete the apps or even understand why they are there even after I told it to uninstall. I also cannot easily move apps between drives or even control which drive something is installed on sometimes. Steam is the best this way, IMO.
- BillinghamJ 6y ago
  That's actually one thing I quite liked about it - there's some option to just switch an app from one drive to another, and it's one of the only things I've found in Windows which actually "just works"
CivBase 6y ago
Maybe you'd be interested in joining the dozens of other Windows 10 S users.
ryandrake 6y ago
Same here. As a user, I would rather have direct download/installation, aka sideloading. But absent that, I would much prefer to have all my applciations available on one store. Having to download multiple stores in order to get multiple applications is pretty much the worst outcome.
wazanator 6y ago
What you want is Windows 10 S mode. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/s-mode https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/s-mode
- BillinghamJ 6y ago
  Only works if it's enforced for all users though. Having all the Windows apps in the single official store is really the only possible way for it to function Obviously never going to happen, but it'd be a much nicer ecosystem if it did work that way

judge2020 6y ago

Contrarily, MSFT being the one to approve all code would be good in that it would destroy the current Windows code signing racket that only six companies have access to[0]. 0: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/dashboard/get-a-code-signing-certificate#extended-validation-code-signing-certificates https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/da... (thankfully MSFT is indeed working on their own first-party code signing solution https://youtu.be/Wi-4WdpKm5E https://youtu.be/Wi-4WdpKm5E)

Terretta 6y ago

> everything has to come from Apple’s app store? See SetApp for MacOS and for iOS: - https://setapp.com/ https://setapp.com/ - https://setapp.com/how-it-works https://setapp.com/how-it-works

dwaite 6y ago

> Can you imagine using macOS without homebrew because everything has to come from Apple's app store? No, because I would have never used macOS if there were limitations that prevented me from being able to do my job. And imagining a world where Apple restricted macOS in such a way is a rather unlikely hypothetical. The big difference is that iOS has _never_ had these capabilities. Many people have opted into the current model of iOS because they don't consider it a general purpose computing device - they consider it a phone, an iPod, an internet browser, or an angry birds player. > Can you imagine using Ubuntu without apt because everything has to come from the Canonical's software center? No, for the same reason. Their customer base would refuse to upgrade, servers would be migrated off, etc. A closer equivalent there to the current game app stores would be always-on licensing servers which used physical dongles - the game stores are running basically as licensing servers. And professionals _hated_ these. Even software-based licensing servers over the LAN is much less common in professional software these days.

CivBase 6y ago
> A closer equivalent there to the current game app stores would be always-on licensing servers which used physical dongles - the game stores are running basically as licensing servers. And professionals _hated_ these. Even software-based licensing servers over the LAN is much less common in professional software these days. While it's true that apps for PC game stores often double as DRM, I don't think that's relevant to a discussion of whether or not Apple should be compelled to allow for third-party app distribution platforms and the "side loading" of apps on iOS. After all, there is little stopping you from implementing always-on DRM on an iOS app. You'd just have to implement it in the app directly, which is how PC games used to do it before modern platforms became popular. The rise of those platforms (Steam in particular) had a lot to do with the downfall of oft-maligned DRM solutions like SecuROM. Software-embedded DRM tech like Denuvo are still a blight on PC gaming, but they're at least less common than they once were.