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Anytime Epic/Apple thing comes up, a very relevant quote is what their judge (YGR) said on their case: > “Well plaintiffs always want me to define relevant mar
by maratc 6y ago
Anytime Epic/Apple thing comes up, a very relevant quote is what their judge (YGR) said on their case:
> “Well plaintiffs always want me to define relevant markets as narrowly as possible. It helps their case. And defendants always want me to define markets as broad as possible, because it helps their case.”
The big elephant in the room is gaming consoles.
If you see iPhone more or less in line with PC/Mac, you may already have made up your mind on how "relevant markets" are defined, and so naturally pre-inclined to side with Epic.
OTOH if you see it more or less in line with Xbox/Playstation/Switch (every one of them having a unique store that charges 30%), you may naturally be pre-inclined to side with Apple.
The judges will eventually get to define what the "relevant market" is, and no amount of HN arguments will change that.
If I were Apple, I would just make a version of an iPhone hardware-enabled to have alternative stores, and I would sell it for a surplus of $1000. This way both sides can have their cake, and the market can decide.
- ryukafalz 6y agoI also think people should be allowed to install whatever software they want on a gaming console that they own. Or a car, or a tractor, or...
- casouniquo 6y agoI would like to have an option to install steam on PS5. But if sony were forced to do that, I don't think they can sell it for $499. Also, like samsung, apple will only be providing like 18 months of updates
- sdfhbdf 6y agoIt isn't illegal to jailbreak these. Just if you want the convince, security, ecosystem, support you can expect to also in the same price point start supporting all the possible malware you will be able to sideload to your car, tractor and iPhone.
- techpression 6y agoI like this idea, much like Windows N (that the EU fought years for boasting how good it was for consumers and yet nobody bought it) Apple could release a iPhone - insecure edition, offering no security features, just like how Microsoft removed media playback features. Let the actual consumers decide instead of heavy handed government. But I guess most commentators want to eat the cake, sell it and keep it at the same time.
- kuschku 6y agoActually, Windows 10 only sells N editions. If you want to play back media, you'll have to buy media codecs separately in the Windows Store. And it turns out that was actually a benefit for consumers.
- techpression 6y agohttps://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/get-windows-media-player-81718e0d-cfce-25b1-aee3-94596b658287 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/get-windows-medi... “Included in clean installs of Windows 10 as well as upgrades to Windows 10 from Windows 8.1 or Windows 7.” My Windows 10 also plays H.264 from a clean install (defaults to Movies and TV viewer) and the list of installed codecs (supplied from Microsoft) contains mp4, xvid and even divx, so no idea where you get the idea that Windows 10 only sells as a N edition. I bought my licenses in Sweden.
- kuschku 6y agoYour version doesn't include any H.265 or later codecs, and H.264 only the parts of the codec that are available freely, so not a single cent of your purchase goes towards the codec license. If you try to play anything else, you'll have to buy the Microsoft H.265 Codec Pack in the Microsoft Store. Which, depending on device, country, and time, varies between 0,99€ and 4,99$. The point of Windows N was to avoid users (or governments) having to pay for bundled codecs they don't need.
- techpression 6y ago