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Or Fortnite, for that matter? Why should I be forced to buy skins with Epic’s in-game currency instead of loading my own?

parthdesai 6y ago
Fortnite is a free game, I pay to own my iPhone.
- tfehring 6y ago
  Should it be different for similar games that aren’t free (gratis) then? Should I be required by law to be able to load third-party items in Call of Duty?
  - wayneftw 6y ago
    There needs to be different rules for products that are essential to modern life, like smartphones. We have more rules and regulations for things like food services, airlines, banking and farming than we do for a store like GameStop or a jewelry products.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
  Then if you care so much about running whatever software you want on it, perhaps you should have bought a phone that lets you do that instead? I'm not personally in favor of walled gardens myself, but everyone who bought an iPhone knew that's what they were getting and did it anyway.
  - kevingadd 6y ago
    "everyone who bought an iPhone knew that's what they were getting and did it anyway" is an incredibly strong assertion you're not making an effort to support here. Are you seriously claiming that every owner of an iPhone understood the nuances of Apple's app store policies before they bought the phone?
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
      Everyone in the world? No, clearly, but I doubt very many of them care about being able to use other stores on their phone anyway. The people here making the argument for forcing Apple's hand? Yes.
- cordite 6y ago
  People pay to own their tractors, but yet they can't repair them.
  - ripdog 6y ago
    Yes, and that's not right.
Wowfunhappy 6y ago
If the iPhone was an open platform, you could develop a mod that makes your Fortnite character look like whatever you want, for free. (It wouldn't show up that way for other people by default, but that's someone else's phone, not yours.)
- tfehring 6y ago
  Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'd expect that iOS being an open platform is neither necessary nor sufficient for that. As I understand it, Epic could allow users to load free custom skins today, even though it operates on a closed platform. And conversely, even if iOS were an open platform, Fortnite could remain closed-source, and I'd expect Epic could take measures (hash-validating assets on launch?) to prevent side-loading of cosmetic items.
  - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
    On a traditional PC, or on a Mac with System Integrity Protection disabled, there isn't a lot Epic could do to prevent installing mods. The user can inject whatever code they like into the Fortnite process. They can rewrite data in memory, and even control the kernel if it comes to that. Epic could try to make life difficult for modders, but a lot of PC games have tried that over the years, and it generally doesn't work when players are dedicated.
kevingadd 6y ago
The content creator selects which currencies they are willing to sell their product for. This shouldn't be difficult to understand. Do I have the right to demand that my local furniture store accept Bitcoin?

parthdesai 6y ago

Fortnite is a free game, I pay to own my iPhone.

tfehring 6y ago
Should it be different for similar games that aren’t free (gratis) then? Should I be required by law to be able to load third-party items in Call of Duty?
- wayneftw 6y ago
  There needs to be different rules for products that are essential to modern life, like smartphones. We have more rules and regulations for things like food services, airlines, banking and farming than we do for a store like GameStop or a jewelry products.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
Then if you care so much about running whatever software you want on it, perhaps you should have bought a phone that lets you do that instead? I'm not personally in favor of walled gardens myself, but everyone who bought an iPhone knew that's what they were getting and did it anyway.
- kevingadd 6y ago
  "everyone who bought an iPhone knew that's what they were getting and did it anyway" is an incredibly strong assertion you're not making an effort to support here. Are you seriously claiming that every owner of an iPhone understood the nuances of Apple's app store policies before they bought the phone?
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
    Everyone in the world? No, clearly, but I doubt very many of them care about being able to use other stores on their phone anyway. The people here making the argument for forcing Apple's hand? Yes.
cordite 6y ago
People pay to own their tractors, but yet they can't repair them.
- ripdog 6y ago
  Yes, and that's not right.

Wowfunhappy 6y ago

If the iPhone was an open platform, you could develop a mod that makes your Fortnite character look like whatever you want, for free. (It wouldn't show up that way for other people by default, but that's someone else's phone, not yours.)

tfehring 6y ago
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'd expect that iOS being an open platform is neither necessary nor sufficient for that. As I understand it, Epic could allow users to load free custom skins today, even though it operates on a closed platform. And conversely, even if iOS were an open platform, Fortnite could remain closed-source, and I'd expect Epic could take measures (hash-validating assets on launch?) to prevent side-loading of cosmetic items.
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  On a traditional PC, or on a Mac with System Integrity Protection disabled, there isn't a lot Epic could do to prevent installing mods. The user can inject whatever code they like into the Fortnite process. They can rewrite data in memory, and even control the kernel if it comes to that. Epic could try to make life difficult for modders, but a lot of PC games have tried that over the years, and it generally doesn't work when players are dedicated.

kevingadd 6y ago

The content creator selects which currencies they are willing to sell their product for. This shouldn't be difficult to understand. Do I have the right to demand that my local furniture store accept Bitcoin?