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General purpose computing. A game console or Tesla computer is not made for general programs, they have specific purposes. It's also a case of "you know it whe

by efraim 6y ago

General purpose computing. A game console or Tesla computer is not made for general programs, they have specific purposes. It's also a case of "you know it when you see it", iPhone wasn't a big platform when it launched but now it's the primary platform for many peoples computer needs, it should not be exclusively run by a private company.

ericmay 6y ago
> it should not be exclusively run by a private company. Why? If you don't like the iPhone there are other general purpose computers that you can use, ranging from a laptop to a Pixel smart phone... > General purpose computing. If you want to call it a general purpose computer, then you also have to include tablets, laptops, desktop computers, and Android phones. All of a sudden there is quite a bit of choice for customers here. To name a few: Google Microsoft Samsung LG Dell HP Huawei Amazon ... The fact that Apple may very well make the best one, doesn't mean there isn't competition or that it isn't a competitive market.
- efraim 6y ago
  It's dishonest to pretend that smart phones are not a very large and important portion of the digital market today and very hard to be without. They are used for payment, identification, messaging etc that a laptop or desktop can not replace. Having the choice between apple or google is not much of a choice. And a company that wan't to reach the public must have a smart phone app and therefore must have a ios app. Your list of manufacturers does not take the platforms into consideration. None of those are allowed to use apples platform unless they follow their strict rules. There isnt't a competitive market unless ther's free movement and perfect information and the two smart phone platforms have large lock-in effects today so it hardly qualifies. The portion of the market that is android or windows are competitive markets, it's easy to switch from a samsung phone to a lg phone.
  - ericmay 6y ago
    I'm not sure what I'm being dishonest about? If you're to say that the iPhone is a general purpose computing device then you have to also compare it to other general purpose computing devices and take into consideration the general purpose computing market. Maybe it's simply the best one with the best features? I mean, I know that if I had to choose to only have one (a laptop or iPhone) I'd choose the laptop because it has features that the iPhone doesn't. But they also have overlapping features, complementary features, and sometimes mutually exclusive features. You mention payments - I can pay for things using my laptop, or if I have a credit or debit card (ya know, the thing you're using for payments) I can just use that at the store normally. Messaging - yep you can send messages from your laptop. I could go on. The killer feature of the iPhone is that it's in your pocket, but it's also a limiting factor. You can live without one, easily, however. Doom scrolling Facebook (sorry, keeping in touch with friends and family - totally not addiction) is not important and living without that is very easy. > Your list of manufacturers does not take the platforms into consideration. None of those are allowed to use apples platform unless they follow their strict rules. I can't use any of those manufacturer's platforms without following their rules. I'm not sure what you're trying to explain. > There isnt't a competitive market unless ther's free movement and perfect information and the two smart phone platforms have large lock-in effects today so it hardly qualifies. You can debate whether it's a competitive market, but I'm not sure what you're explaining here is part of the considerations, or at least these may map to larger overall considerations. But you have to be careful to be specific about what you are talking about. Are we talking about the iOS App Store, or the general purpose computer market? It matters. > The portion of the market that is android or windows are competitive markets, it's easy to switch from a samsung phone to a lg phone. You can easily switch from iPhone to Android as well. One of my friends does it at least once a year because he wants to be "all-in" on either Google or Apple but finds flaws in each.
  - jaegerpicker 6y ago
    It is competitive, it's just as easy to switch between Android and iOS, it's not cheap but just as easy.
jaegerpicker 6y ago
Explain the difference in functional ability between the iPad vs the Switch? Xbox series x? PS5? Web Browser, email, streaming media? All possible on any of the devices. The only difference is that Apple is better at building devices that people like. Apple built the platform, built the hardware, designed the OS, and built the sdk/API's but now they aren't allowed to control their own platform? How does that make any sense?
- efraim 6y ago
  If there's a computer in it, there is no clear technical difference. The difference is how people use it. You don't use a switch as your only computer device, banks and stores don't need to create apps for all those platforms to be competitive.

by efraim 6y ago

ericmay 6y ago

> it should not be exclusively run by a private company. Why? If you don't like the iPhone there are other general purpose computers that you can use, ranging from a laptop to a Pixel smart phone... > General purpose computing. If you want to call it a general purpose computer, then you also have to include tablets, laptops, desktop computers, and Android phones. All of a sudden there is quite a bit of choice for customers here. To name a few: Google Microsoft Samsung LG Dell HP Huawei Amazon ... The fact that Apple may very well make the best one, doesn't mean there isn't competition or that it isn't a competitive market.

efraim 6y ago
It's dishonest to pretend that smart phones are not a very large and important portion of the digital market today and very hard to be without. They are used for payment, identification, messaging etc that a laptop or desktop can not replace. Having the choice between apple or google is not much of a choice. And a company that wan't to reach the public must have a smart phone app and therefore must have a ios app. Your list of manufacturers does not take the platforms into consideration. None of those are allowed to use apples platform unless they follow their strict rules. There isnt't a competitive market unless ther's free movement and perfect information and the two smart phone platforms have large lock-in effects today so it hardly qualifies. The portion of the market that is android or windows are competitive markets, it's easy to switch from a samsung phone to a lg phone.
- ericmay 6y ago
  I'm not sure what I'm being dishonest about? If you're to say that the iPhone is a general purpose computing device then you have to also compare it to other general purpose computing devices and take into consideration the general purpose computing market. Maybe it's simply the best one with the best features? I mean, I know that if I had to choose to only have one (a laptop or iPhone) I'd choose the laptop because it has features that the iPhone doesn't. But they also have overlapping features, complementary features, and sometimes mutually exclusive features. You mention payments - I can pay for things using my laptop, or if I have a credit or debit card (ya know, the thing you're using for payments) I can just use that at the store normally. Messaging - yep you can send messages from your laptop. I could go on. The killer feature of the iPhone is that it's in your pocket, but it's also a limiting factor. You can live without one, easily, however. Doom scrolling Facebook (sorry, keeping in touch with friends and family - totally not addiction) is not important and living without that is very easy. > Your list of manufacturers does not take the platforms into consideration. None of those are allowed to use apples platform unless they follow their strict rules. I can't use any of those manufacturer's platforms without following their rules. I'm not sure what you're trying to explain. > There isnt't a competitive market unless ther's free movement and perfect information and the two smart phone platforms have large lock-in effects today so it hardly qualifies. You can debate whether it's a competitive market, but I'm not sure what you're explaining here is part of the considerations, or at least these may map to larger overall considerations. But you have to be careful to be specific about what you are talking about. Are we talking about the iOS App Store, or the general purpose computer market? It matters. > The portion of the market that is android or windows are competitive markets, it's easy to switch from a samsung phone to a lg phone. You can easily switch from iPhone to Android as well. One of my friends does it at least once a year because he wants to be "all-in" on either Google or Apple but finds flaws in each.
- jaegerpicker 6y ago
  It is competitive, it's just as easy to switch between Android and iOS, it's not cheap but just as easy.

jaegerpicker 6y ago

Explain the difference in functional ability between the iPad vs the Switch? Xbox series x? PS5? Web Browser, email, streaming media? All possible on any of the devices. The only difference is that Apple is better at building devices that people like. Apple built the platform, built the hardware, designed the OS, and built the sdk/API's but now they aren't allowed to control their own platform? How does that make any sense?

efraim 6y ago
If there's a computer in it, there is no clear technical difference. The difference is how people use it. You don't use a switch as your only computer device, banks and stores don't need to create apps for all those platforms to be competitive.