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This may be the most demagogic HN comment I've read in years. > 40 million copies of a thick catalog with glossy pages means a couple shittons of not just tree

This may be the most demagogic HN comment I've read in years. > 40 million copies of a thick catalog with glossy pages means a couple shittons of not just trees but petroleum and petrochemicals for production, distribution, and disposal. Every year! - What about about daily printed newspapers? - What about shop brochures that we receive weekly in the mailbox? - What about toilet paper and derivates? I can't understand people congratulating the discontinuation of an yearly book (arguably an historic document) instead of focusing one order of magnitude higher.

rrrazdan 6y ago
What about them?
forgotmypw17 6y ago
Well, we won't get rid of them all at once... But don't you think it would be a good idea? For what it's worth, I don't use toilet paper for its intended purpose, and I bet my butt is way cleaner than yours if you do. :) I'm not sure why you are so critical of applauding one good thing just because other bad things are still in place.
- iso1631 6y ago
  How do you blow your nose?
  - forgotmypw17 6y ago
    The same way it's been done for millennia before, into a cloth or into my hand which I then wash.
    - briandear 6y ago
      It must be exhausting to be so much better than the rest of us. I never understood the idea of privation being considered progressive. It isn’t progress to set the thermostat to a more uncomfortable temperature in order to save energy. It isn’t progress to have massive grid outages because windmills froze — windmills that are sitting atop many lifetimes of oil and natural gas reserves. It isn’t progress to freeze today because someone is theorizing that Tuvalu is on the cusp of sinking. Yet Tuvalu is growing in size instead of sinking but our policies still feature Chicken Little fear-mongering as a tool of control. Sitting in a frozen-windmill-induced blackout in sub freezing temperatures for day two in Houston of all places makes me extremely irritated that the reason we have a blackout is because the hysterical anti-carbon crowd is afraid of a catastrophe that we’ve been promised since Al Gore’s inaccurate film. [1] A “catastrophe” being used in a similar vein as the war in Eastasia. Or was it Eurasia? Kind of hard to remember now given that new printed books are being replaced by digital because forgotmypw17 is worried about the carbon footprint of ink.
      - burkaman 6y ago
        > ERCOT said Tuesday that of the 45,000 total megawatts of power that were offline statewide, about 30,000 consisted of thermal sources — gas, coal and nuclear plants — and 16,000 came from renewable sources. - https://www.chron.com/news/article/Texas-blackouts-fuel-false-claims-about-renewable-15956600.php https://www.chron.com/news/article/Texas-blackouts-fuel-fals...
      - Djvacto 6y ago
        > In truth, virtually all forms of power generation in Texas suffered outages during the cold snap, with early reports showing gas plants sustaining the most failures, Webber said. Early Monday morning, ERCOT issued a news release saying generation “across fuel types” had gone offline, amid reports of wind turbines covered in ice and natural gas wellheads freezing up. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Texas-grid-again-faces-scrutiny-over-cold-15955392.php https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Tex... This is just the first source I found on google to quote, but if houstonchronicle isn't a trustworthy news source let me know. It seems like all forms of energy suffered from a lack of winterization. To me, it seems the issue is not that renewable energy was depended upon, but rather that the whole system was unprepared for a cold snap like this. > But the vast majority of energy the state generates is through natural gas. In October 2020, the U.S. Energy Information Administration reported that renewables generated 22% of the state's energy, while gas generated 51.8%.19 hours ago https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/are-frozen-wind-turbines-to-blame-for-texas-power-outages/ https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/are-frozen-wind-turbines-to-...
      - forgotmypw17 6y ago
        > It must be exhausting to be so much better than the rest of us. I don't recall claiming such a thing. I'm sharing what I do and why, and if anyone wants to use my knowledge they're welcome to. Sorry about the blackout, and any role I have inadvertently played in it. No offense, there are many places around the world where blackouts are a regular everyday (or even every day) occurrence. Perhaps, you can give them a thought in an idle moment.
      - chungus_khan 6y ago
        > It isn’t progress to have massive grid outages because windmills froze How did Texans manage to screw up windmills? The ones across the lake from me work perfectly fine all winter long, despite much colder winters. I'm guessing they cheaped out on basic preparedness measures for this sort of thing, and clearly across the whole grid, not just renewables.
pessimizer 6y ago
I don't understand the reasoning behind defending someone who kills six people by mentioning three people who killed ten. Do you seriously think the person you've replied to is happy about daily printed newspapers, junkmail, and wasted toilet paper?
- mcv 6y ago
  Not that person, but I do enjoy reading my newspaper from paper. But I recently decided to switch to digital. The paper keeps piling up, and I increasingly find myself reading the news on their app.
- galfarragem 6y ago
  I believe the fair proportion is 3 people that killed 100 people each running free while we congratulate the police for jailing the guy who insulted us.
kristofferR 6y ago
At least in Norway we have stickers we can put on our mailboxes that makes it illegal to add mail spam to them. Pretty simple solution, should be standard everywhere.

rrrazdan 6y ago

What about them?

forgotmypw17 6y ago

Well, we won't get rid of them all at once... But don't you think it would be a good idea? For what it's worth, I don't use toilet paper for its intended purpose, and I bet my butt is way cleaner than yours if you do. :) I'm not sure why you are so critical of applauding one good thing just because other bad things are still in place.

iso1631 6y ago
How do you blow your nose?
- forgotmypw17 6y ago
  The same way it's been done for millennia before, into a cloth or into my hand which I then wash.
  - briandear 6y ago
    It must be exhausting to be so much better than the rest of us. I never understood the idea of privation being considered progressive. It isn’t progress to set the thermostat to a more uncomfortable temperature in order to save energy. It isn’t progress to have massive grid outages because windmills froze — windmills that are sitting atop many lifetimes of oil and natural gas reserves. It isn’t progress to freeze today because someone is theorizing that Tuvalu is on the cusp of sinking. Yet Tuvalu is growing in size instead of sinking but our policies still feature Chicken Little fear-mongering as a tool of control. Sitting in a frozen-windmill-induced blackout in sub freezing temperatures for day two in Houston of all places makes me extremely irritated that the reason we have a blackout is because the hysterical anti-carbon crowd is afraid of a catastrophe that we’ve been promised since Al Gore’s inaccurate film. [1] A “catastrophe” being used in a similar vein as the war in Eastasia. Or was it Eurasia? Kind of hard to remember now given that new printed books are being replaced by digital because forgotmypw17 is worried about the carbon footprint of ink.
    - burkaman 6y ago
      > ERCOT said Tuesday that of the 45,000 total megawatts of power that were offline statewide, about 30,000 consisted of thermal sources — gas, coal and nuclear plants — and 16,000 came from renewable sources. - https://www.chron.com/news/article/Texas-blackouts-fuel-false-claims-about-renewable-15956600.php https://www.chron.com/news/article/Texas-blackouts-fuel-fals...
    - Djvacto 6y ago
      > In truth, virtually all forms of power generation in Texas suffered outages during the cold snap, with early reports showing gas plants sustaining the most failures, Webber said. Early Monday morning, ERCOT issued a news release saying generation “across fuel types” had gone offline, amid reports of wind turbines covered in ice and natural gas wellheads freezing up. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Texas-grid-again-faces-scrutiny-over-cold-15955392.php https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Tex... This is just the first source I found on google to quote, but if houstonchronicle isn't a trustworthy news source let me know. It seems like all forms of energy suffered from a lack of winterization. To me, it seems the issue is not that renewable energy was depended upon, but rather that the whole system was unprepared for a cold snap like this. > But the vast majority of energy the state generates is through natural gas. In October 2020, the U.S. Energy Information Administration reported that renewables generated 22% of the state's energy, while gas generated 51.8%.19 hours ago https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/are-frozen-wind-turbines-to-blame-for-texas-power-outages/ https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/are-frozen-wind-turbines-to-...
    - forgotmypw17 6y ago
      > It must be exhausting to be so much better than the rest of us. I don't recall claiming such a thing. I'm sharing what I do and why, and if anyone wants to use my knowledge they're welcome to. Sorry about the blackout, and any role I have inadvertently played in it. No offense, there are many places around the world where blackouts are a regular everyday (or even every day) occurrence. Perhaps, you can give them a thought in an idle moment.
    - chungus_khan 6y ago
      > It isn’t progress to have massive grid outages because windmills froze How did Texans manage to screw up windmills? The ones across the lake from me work perfectly fine all winter long, despite much colder winters. I'm guessing they cheaped out on basic preparedness measures for this sort of thing, and clearly across the whole grid, not just renewables.

pessimizer 6y ago

I don't understand the reasoning behind defending someone who kills six people by mentioning three people who killed ten. Do you seriously think the person you've replied to is happy about daily printed newspapers, junkmail, and wasted toilet paper?

mcv 6y ago
Not that person, but I do enjoy reading my newspaper from paper. But I recently decided to switch to digital. The paper keeps piling up, and I increasingly find myself reading the news on their app.
galfarragem 6y ago
I believe the fair proportion is 3 people that killed 100 people each running free while we congratulate the police for jailing the guy who insulted us.

kristofferR 6y ago

At least in Norway we have stickers we can put on our mailboxes that makes it illegal to add mail spam to them. Pretty simple solution, should be standard everywhere.