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Isn't it already the case with electric car manufacturers, with plug designs and specifications that are not guaranteed to be compatible with other chargers, no

by hrktb 6y ago

Isn't it already the case with electric car manufacturers, with plug designs and specifications that are not guaranteed to be compatible with other chargers, nor third party plug makers if they ever come to the marker?

kenhwang 6y ago
That's not really a problem with electric car manufacturers going forward. There's only going to be two standards: Tesla's proprietary one, and, CCS that everyone else agreed to standardize on.
- _ph_ 6y ago
  Not sure what Tesla is using in the US, but in Europe, they are using Type 2/CCS. Most Superchargers are CCS now (they used DC on Type 2 before and Tesla submitted that as a standard proposal, but the industry went for CCS for DC charging)
  - azernik 6y ago
    In the US, they use a proprietary mechanical connector - but the electrical interface is the same. So with a mechanical adapter you get graceful degradation to the CCS standard, just without fancy Tesla charger/vehicle communication.
_ph_ 6y ago
Where would that be? In Europe electric charging has been standardized to Type2/CCS. So any electric car can charge at any charging spot.
- azernik 6y ago
  Not just in Europe - even in the US, Tesla is the only company that doesn't use a standardized charger. Even the Tesla charger is electrically compatible with the standard one; you just need a mechanical adapter to plug in, and won't have any of the extra Tesla-only features that require complicated communication between vehicle and charger. In the EU, they're forced to use the standard connector, and they're doing perfectly fine with it.
azernik 6y ago
There's an EU mandatory standard (which Tesla follows), and in the US an optional one that everyone but Tesla follows (that is, everyone but the gorilla with 80% market share :-P). Note that there are other standards in the rest of the world, e.g. China has a mechanically-incompatible connector (same as the EU standard, but with the male end on the cable and female end on the car and charger).
clouddrover 6y ago
Europe has standardized on CCS type 2 Combo. Having a common standard encourages investment into charging networks from more companies. Here's a recent example: https://www.electrive.com/2021/02/17/aral-expands-hpc-network-in-germany/ https://www.electrive.com/2021/02/17/aral-expands-hpc-networ...

by hrktb 6y ago

kenhwang 6y ago

That's not really a problem with electric car manufacturers going forward. There's only going to be two standards: Tesla's proprietary one, and, CCS that everyone else agreed to standardize on.

_ph_ 6y ago
Not sure what Tesla is using in the US, but in Europe, they are using Type 2/CCS. Most Superchargers are CCS now (they used DC on Type 2 before and Tesla submitted that as a standard proposal, but the industry went for CCS for DC charging)
- azernik 6y ago
  In the US, they use a proprietary mechanical connector - but the electrical interface is the same. So with a mechanical adapter you get graceful degradation to the CCS standard, just without fancy Tesla charger/vehicle communication.

_ph_ 6y ago

Where would that be? In Europe electric charging has been standardized to Type2/CCS. So any electric car can charge at any charging spot.

azernik 6y ago
Not just in Europe - even in the US, Tesla is the only company that doesn't use a standardized charger. Even the Tesla charger is electrically compatible with the standard one; you just need a mechanical adapter to plug in, and won't have any of the extra Tesla-only features that require complicated communication between vehicle and charger. In the EU, they're forced to use the standard connector, and they're doing perfectly fine with it.

azernik 6y ago

There's an EU mandatory standard (which Tesla follows), and in the US an optional one that everyone but Tesla follows (that is, everyone but the gorilla with 80% market share :-P). Note that there are other standards in the rest of the world, e.g. China has a mechanically-incompatible connector (same as the EU standard, but with the male end on the cable and female end on the car and charger).

clouddrover 6y ago

Europe has standardized on CCS type 2 Combo. Having a common standard encourages investment into charging networks from more companies. Here's a recent example: https://www.electrive.com/2021/02/17/aral-expands-hpc-network-in-germany/ https://www.electrive.com/2021/02/17/aral-expands-hpc-networ...