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Internet cut off across Syria amid widespread protests

74 points by eddmc 15y ago

wh-uws 15y ago
Can someone please explain why people keep doing this? The government always falls amid the outrage of the people over losing their internet access. At best you could (not encouraging or endorsing this by the way) build something like Chinese Great Firewall, but if you cut if off your government is going to tumble. Its happened twice already now
- w1ntermute 15y ago
  > The government always falls amid the outrage of the people over losing their internet access. Nothing quite gets the movers and shakers of high society riled up like losing access to an (almost) infinite supply of free porn.
  - Chris_Dollar 15y ago
    You make a very interesting point w1, there is a documentary film I'm making right now called #killswitch that addresses this point. Check out the 5 min 27 sec. trailer on kickstarter and let me know what you think: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/akorn/killswitch-a-documentary-film?ref=live http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/akorn/killswitch-a-docum...
- thetrumanshow 15y ago
  They've probably bought into the idea that the U.S. government is organizing the revolt using the internet, just like China is suggesting: http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_18199122 http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_18199122
- btilly 15y ago
  Libya did that and has not fallen yet. In fact, despite a significant intervention from Europe (which is unlikely to be repeated in Syria), Libya seems to be in some sort of stalemate right now. The lesson that the Syrian's seem to have taken is that the way to stay in power is to double down on repression.
  - stcredzero 15y ago
    The lesson that the Syrian's seem to have taken is that the way to stay in power is to double down on repression. Hopefully, they don't become another data-point indicating this is a workable strategy.
- MatthewPhillips 15y ago
  Possibly worse than outraging people, you kill commerce. We're at the point where economies can not operate without the internet. Explains why so many want to regulate/control it now. It's too entrenched to ignore.
- Chris_Dollar 15y ago
  I think you’re right, many dictatorial regimes are figuring out that shutting down or censoring the Internet forcefully is a losing battle over the long haul. The Syrian regime may be successful in the short run by cracking some skulls, but if history has anything to say about it, they are using the wrong tactic. The medieval regimes of the middle ages could not reign in the Printing Press that decentralized information in Europe during the Enlightenment period. Yes, the regimes in Europe were successful at first and many peasants lost their lives early on, but in the end, Pandora’s box had been opened. And once those books were out, there was no getting them back in. Mubarak learned this the hard way when he shut down the Internet in Egypt, nothing pissed the Egyptians off more than that. There are two viewpoints on how totalitarian regimes will wield power in the 21st century. The first being the George Orwell 1984 camp, where Big Brother (the government) watches your every move, censors and blocks information – what many regimes in the Middle East are trying to do. The second camp is Aldous Huxley's Brave New World scenario where governments team with corporations to offer a litany of distractions and entertainment. Governments will not have to track us because we’ll voluntarily allow our entertainment outlets to do that for us. We’ll be offered all the entertainment and information we could ever want on cable and the Internet, as long as it is not too critical of the “establishment.” The second dystopia seems to be where most regimes are heading, and with the massive consolidation of Internet Service Providers throughout the world, coupled with their merging with the largest entertainment providers in the world, the Internet as we know it will most likely look like Huxley’s model rather than Orwell’s. Check out this trailer on kickstarter.com for more info on this topic: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/akorn/killswitch-a-documentary-film http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/akorn/killswitch-a-docum...
  - evangineer 15y ago
    I guess you're a believer in the argument that Neil Postman made in Amusing Ourselves to Death: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death The now infamous comic version of the argument in question: http://www.recombinantrecords.net/docs/2009-05-Amusing-Ourselves-to-Death.html http://www.recombinantrecords.net/docs/2009-05-Amusing-Ourse...
sp332 15y ago
Just saw this tweet from the EFF https://twitter.com/#!/EFF/status/76735514782339072 https://twitter.com/#!/EFF/status/76735514782339072 Dial up access for #Syria: +46850009990 +492317299993 +4953160941030 user:telecomix password:telecomix #syria #killswitch by @telecomix
Apocryphon 15y ago
I wonder if Anonymous is going to attempt to retaliate against this, somehow.
- evangineer 15y ago
  That was the intention: http://thenextweb.com/me/2011/06/04/syrian-internet-is-restored-but-anonymous-pledges-retribution-for-outage/ http://thenextweb.com/me/2011/06/04/syrian-internet-is-resto...

74 points by eddmc 15y ago

Can someone please explain why people keep doing this? The government always falls amid the outrage of the people over losing their internet access. At best you could (not encouraging or endorsing this by the way) build something like Chinese Great Firewall, but if you cut if off your government is going to tumble. Its happened twice already now

w1ntermute 15y ago
> The government always falls amid the outrage of the people over losing their internet access. Nothing quite gets the movers and shakers of high society riled up like losing access to an (almost) infinite supply of free porn.
- Chris_Dollar 15y ago
  You make a very interesting point w1, there is a documentary film I'm making right now called #killswitch that addresses this point. Check out the 5 min 27 sec. trailer on kickstarter and let me know what you think: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/akorn/killswitch-a-documentary-film?ref=live http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/akorn/killswitch-a-docum...
thetrumanshow 15y ago
They've probably bought into the idea that the U.S. government is organizing the revolt using the internet, just like China is suggesting: http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_18199122 http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_18199122
btilly 15y ago
Libya did that and has not fallen yet. In fact, despite a significant intervention from Europe (which is unlikely to be repeated in Syria), Libya seems to be in some sort of stalemate right now. The lesson that the Syrian's seem to have taken is that the way to stay in power is to double down on repression.
- stcredzero 15y ago
  The lesson that the Syrian's seem to have taken is that the way to stay in power is to double down on repression. Hopefully, they don't become another data-point indicating this is a workable strategy.
MatthewPhillips 15y ago
Possibly worse than outraging people, you kill commerce. We're at the point where economies can not operate without the internet. Explains why so many want to regulate/control it now. It's too entrenched to ignore.
Chris_Dollar 15y ago
I think you’re right, many dictatorial regimes are figuring out that shutting down or censoring the Internet forcefully is a losing battle over the long haul. The Syrian regime may be successful in the short run by cracking some skulls, but if history has anything to say about it, they are using the wrong tactic. The medieval regimes of the middle ages could not reign in the Printing Press that decentralized information in Europe during the Enlightenment period. Yes, the regimes in Europe were successful at first and many peasants lost their lives early on, but in the end, Pandora’s box had been opened. And once those books were out, there was no getting them back in. Mubarak learned this the hard way when he shut down the Internet in Egypt, nothing pissed the Egyptians off more than that. There are two viewpoints on how totalitarian regimes will wield power in the 21st century. The first being the George Orwell 1984 camp, where Big Brother (the government) watches your every move, censors and blocks information – what many regimes in the Middle East are trying to do. The second camp is Aldous Huxley's Brave New World scenario where governments team with corporations to offer a litany of distractions and entertainment. Governments will not have to track us because we’ll voluntarily allow our entertainment outlets to do that for us. We’ll be offered all the entertainment and information we could ever want on cable and the Internet, as long as it is not too critical of the “establishment.” The second dystopia seems to be where most regimes are heading, and with the massive consolidation of Internet Service Providers throughout the world, coupled with their merging with the largest entertainment providers in the world, the Internet as we know it will most likely look like Huxley’s model rather than Orwell’s. Check out this trailer on kickstarter.com for more info on this topic: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/akorn/killswitch-a-documentary-film http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/akorn/killswitch-a-docum...
- evangineer 15y ago
  I guess you're a believer in the argument that Neil Postman made in Amusing Ourselves to Death: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death The now infamous comic version of the argument in question: http://www.recombinantrecords.net/docs/2009-05-Amusing-Ourselves-to-Death.html http://www.recombinantrecords.net/docs/2009-05-Amusing-Ourse...

sp332 15y ago

Just saw this tweet from the EFF https://twitter.com/#!/EFF/status/76735514782339072 https://twitter.com/#!/EFF/status/76735514782339072 Dial up access for #Syria: +46850009990 +492317299993 +4953160941030 user:telecomix password:telecomix #syria #killswitch by @telecomix

Apocryphon 15y ago

I wonder if Anonymous is going to attempt to retaliate against this, somehow.

evangineer 15y ago
That was the intention: http://thenextweb.com/me/2011/06/04/syrian-internet-is-restored-but-anonymous-pledges-retribution-for-outage/ http://thenextweb.com/me/2011/06/04/syrian-internet-is-resto...