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Someone once told me that programmers should not complain about their "already high wages", because they have it good. They're well paid, have benefits, and the
by batmaniam 6y ago
Someone once told me that programmers should not complain about their "already high wages", because they have it good. They're well paid, have benefits, and they sit at an air conditioned desk. While I don't disagree with that statement, it's always bugged me because in the bigger picture I feel like this is not true, and especially the part where devs should not be able to raise grievances due to the claim their wages are high.
If you look at it from the business perspective, devs are part of company that built the product, which they then go to market and make profits from. Profits that can be in the hundreds of millions. Why shouldn't the devs and the other workers (both engineers and the other company employees that helped make the profit happen), be paid well for it? And in certain companies where profits are in the billions, shouldn't those employees be making a lot more then? A lot more than what they're making now, that is, which means devs are not so well paid relative to the profit margin. The same goes for any profession too, waiter and line cooks at restaurants should be making more; their work directly contributed to the restaurant's profits, and should be better compensated than they are now, instead of this 12$/hr across the board without regard to profits.
If you look at it from the economic perspective, we can go with the claim that programmers usually make more than the average job, sure. But 'so well paid' is kinda relative at that point. We're 'so well paid' relative to professions that are not so well paid, and keep in mind that the other professions have been around a lot longer than software (ie waiters). Wages themselves have not really increased on its own for the working class over the years, a lot of it has been artificially forced in the form of minimum wage by LAW. So if everyone else is making terrible money, and we as devs are considered to be 'so well paid', then maybe we aren't really 'so well paid'? Basically the other professions are artificially being kept lowly paid, so in comparison of course we make a lot. But if we factor in appropriate wage gains over the years for them, devs should be making a lot more than what we have now.
Haven't thought of it much more than that, but the thought always comes when someone mentions that devs make a lot. Anyone else have these kind of thoughts?
- eyelidlessness 6y agoFar as I can tell you’ve expressed a view I’ve held through my career: those of us working for income are working class, right alongside all the other people working for income with us. We’re all entitled to the fruits of our labor. We’re all more aligned with the janitors and office assistants than with the executives. And we should organize as such. We won’t get a bigger share of the value we produce by treating our white collars differently. We’ll get it by recognizing we’re workers (high paid often overworked) and find commonality with our peers, not our bosses.
- schwartzworld 6y agoYou're absolutely right to think that we aren't actually paid that well. I mean don't get me wrong, I was a waiter for over a decade and I lived in poverty. Obviously I prefer my current situation. Your labor is, by definition, worth more than you're getting paid. If it wasn't, your employer would fire you.
- TheCoelacanth 6y agoScrew that entire line of thinking. If I'm going to give to charity, I'm going to give to someone who needs it, not to billionaire shareholders. From the billionaires, I'm taking all I can get. They're certainly not going to give me any more than they can get away with.