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>people often aren't carrying cellular phones In 1999 maybe; not in 2021

by ceres 6y ago

da_big_ghey 6y ago
I almost never take mine with me places, unless I am expecting to take a call while out. I am aware I'm less common than I used to be in this regard, but I'm pretty sure a significant chunk of people still do this, though probably the majority by now carry them more often than not. In any case, people leave their cellular phones home more than often enough for a device that lives in clothing to provide substantially more availability.
- paxys 6y ago
  People not carrying phones outside the house isn't just less common, it's an absolutely tiny edge case which no company is going to redesign their products around.
  - TacticalCoder 6y ago
    I don't know if it's that tiny. Like GP (I don't know why he's downvoted) I do own a smartphone but I rarely take it with me when I leave the house. And when I do, it usually stays in the car. I know several people who, like me, are using their smartphones basically only for messaging apps and who just let their smartphone here or there at home and check them only once or twice a day (unless it rings which, arguably, is the device's most interesting use case). Life is really totally fine when lived without carrying a smartphone around all the time. It also gives my 6 years old an example of someone she can definitely relates to who doesn't use a smartphone all the time. I'm not a luddite: but between the 38" monitor at home and the car's navi system, I simply honestly don't have much need for a smartphone. Now I gotta say this: the demographic that owns a smartphone but doesn't feel the love to the point of living 24/7 with it is probably not the demographic that is going to fancy a tiny electronic device in their shoes and underwear ; )
  - pmontra 6y ago
    I don't carry my phone when I go biking. It's either in a plastic bag in one of my rear pockets (the bag is because sweat would damage the phone) or in a phone holder on the handlebar. In both locations the phone is useless to take pictures by tapping a button somewhere on my clothes (same problem with sweat) or on the bike. Of course I don't spend many hours cycling, no more than 12 per week. Still not an insignificant fraction of the time I'm outside my home. I wonder how that "tap the button and take a picture" works. How do you point the camera to the subject, where is the camera? Not on the phone in my pocket or in a locker at the soccer field.
- jacobr1 6y ago
  There seem to have been a numbers of surveys of this, most citing Pew research, but I couldn't actually find a pew study to confirm it. I did find thus study that was a survey of grocery users: https://www.supermarketnews.com/consumer-trends/nine-10-grocery-shoppers-use-smartphone-store https://www.supermarketnews.com/consumer-trends/nine-10-groc... It shows 89% of those survey use the phone in the grocery store. Separately pew estimates 81% smartphone ownership rates in the US. https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/fact-sheet/mobile/ https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/fact-sheet/mobile/
TuringNYC 6y ago
One of the three use cases presented is competitive soccer. How many people carry their phone while playing competitive soccer? I usually keep the phone in the locker. The product page is unclear on how much information is cached on the device before you need to re-connect to your phone. Im intrigued, but this seems more like an early teaser.
drusepth 6y ago
I think you'd be surprised in much of the non-coastal, non-big-city US, especially in the >40 age crowd. A few of my older friends just got their first smartphones this year. Most of my old coworkers left their phones either at home or in lockers. I was helping on a farm once (~30 people) and had to ask 10-15 people to borrow a phone before someone actually had a CAT in his truck. Even in bigger cities, it's become "cool" over the past few years to get dumb phones and/or limited-use phones. Hell, even Google itself designed something [1] to turn your smartphone into a dumbphone (which was basically a joke, but reflects a larger goal toward "breaking smartphone addiction"). [1] https://experiments.withgoogle.com/envelope https://experiments.withgoogle.com/envelope That said, I doubt any of these people would overlap with Jacquard's target audience, so I guess we're ultimately irrelevant here.

>people often aren't carrying cellular phones In 1999 maybe; not in 2021

by ceres 6y ago

>people often aren't carrying cellular phones In 1999 maybe; not in 2021

I almost never take mine with me places, unless I am expecting to take a call while out. I am aware I'm less common than I used to be in this regard, but I'm pretty sure a significant chunk of people still do this, though probably the majority by now carry them more often than not. In any case, people leave their cellular phones home more than often enough for a device that lives in clothing to provide substantially more availability.

paxys 6y ago
People not carrying phones outside the house isn't just less common, it's an absolutely tiny edge case which no company is going to redesign their products around.
- TacticalCoder 6y ago
  I don't know if it's that tiny. Like GP (I don't know why he's downvoted) I do own a smartphone but I rarely take it with me when I leave the house. And when I do, it usually stays in the car. I know several people who, like me, are using their smartphones basically only for messaging apps and who just let their smartphone here or there at home and check them only once or twice a day (unless it rings which, arguably, is the device's most interesting use case). Life is really totally fine when lived without carrying a smartphone around all the time. It also gives my 6 years old an example of someone she can definitely relates to who doesn't use a smartphone all the time. I'm not a luddite: but between the 38" monitor at home and the car's navi system, I simply honestly don't have much need for a smartphone. Now I gotta say this: the demographic that owns a smartphone but doesn't feel the love to the point of living 24/7 with it is probably not the demographic that is going to fancy a tiny electronic device in their shoes and underwear ; )
- pmontra 6y ago
  I don't carry my phone when I go biking. It's either in a plastic bag in one of my rear pockets (the bag is because sweat would damage the phone) or in a phone holder on the handlebar. In both locations the phone is useless to take pictures by tapping a button somewhere on my clothes (same problem with sweat) or on the bike. Of course I don't spend many hours cycling, no more than 12 per week. Still not an insignificant fraction of the time I'm outside my home. I wonder how that "tap the button and take a picture" works. How do you point the camera to the subject, where is the camera? Not on the phone in my pocket or in a locker at the soccer field.
jacobr1 6y ago
There seem to have been a numbers of surveys of this, most citing Pew research, but I couldn't actually find a pew study to confirm it. I did find thus study that was a survey of grocery users: https://www.supermarketnews.com/consumer-trends/nine-10-grocery-shoppers-use-smartphone-store https://www.supermarketnews.com/consumer-trends/nine-10-groc... It shows 89% of those survey use the phone in the grocery store. Separately pew estimates 81% smartphone ownership rates in the US. https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/fact-sheet/mobile/ https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/fact-sheet/mobile/

TuringNYC 6y ago

One of the three use cases presented is competitive soccer. How many people carry their phone while playing competitive soccer? I usually keep the phone in the locker. The product page is unclear on how much information is cached on the device before you need to re-connect to your phone. Im intrigued, but this seems more like an early teaser.

drusepth 6y ago

I think you'd be surprised in much of the non-coastal, non-big-city US, especially in the >40 age crowd. A few of my older friends just got their first smartphones this year. Most of my old coworkers left their phones either at home or in lockers. I was helping on a farm once (~30 people) and had to ask 10-15 people to borrow a phone before someone actually had a CAT in his truck. Even in bigger cities, it's become "cool" over the past few years to get dumb phones and/or limited-use phones. Hell, even Google itself designed something [1] to turn your smartphone into a dumbphone (which was basically a joke, but reflects a larger goal toward "breaking smartphone addiction"). [1] https://experiments.withgoogle.com/envelope https://experiments.withgoogle.com/envelope That said, I doubt any of these people would overlap with Jacquard's target audience, so I guess we're ultimately irrelevant here.